[FEDERALIST] Why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Could Be The Left’s Donald Trump

While I'm not seeing who some of you are responding to (and I can tell that I'm better off for it), I would like to point out to those babbling nonsense about socialism being "evil" and other unflattering adjectives, that tens of millions of Americans of all races, creeds, colors, and sexual orientation are benefiting from an American program that is certainly socialism. Yeah, that thing some of you ignorant people are so afraid of. What program would that be? What program are your parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles benefiting from?

I suspect several have already guessed what it is, but it bears repeating. Social Security. Social Security is socialism in action. Somehow, the country has thrived during its existence, with countless millions collecting the monthly payments that help them pay bills, that help them buy food to put on their dinner table, getting back some of what they paid in taxes over their decades of working in America.

Socialism isn't "evil." Being a liar when describing it arguably is, if you believe in "evil" at all.

 

I'm using the definition used by the organization she's a member of and what the actual phrase means.

They absolutely can if you do a bad job with the map....

Yes, it really is, and if you knew the first thing about what you were talking about, you'd know that.

Not everyone sets the same parameters and not everyone puts the center in the same place.

Yes it really does, and I'm starting to think that this conversation is over your head. The idea of "left" and "right" only make sense when they are being compared to a specific spot much like West and East only make sense in that same context.

Is Houston North or South? Is it East or West? You can't answer that question without knowing where the map is centered, and that is an arbitrary spot. You can move it around and create all sorts of different results. The same goes for political compasses. If I set the center as in between capitalism on the right and socialism on the left, just about all American politicians living and dead will end up to the right with few exceptions. If I center the map within the realm of American politics, things get very different. People who were pretty far to the right in the last compass end up on the left.

This is very similar to if I was comparing my DNA to every other poster on CF, in that comparison within that scope, you'd have significant differences between a lot of different posters.....now compare the DNA of every CF poster to a group of gorillas. In that scope, everyone on CF has nearly identical DNA.....now compare the DNA of the gorillas, the CF posters, and a bunch of different species of octopus.....in that scope, the CF posters and the apes are right next to each other and barely indistinguishable when compared to the rest. The reason for this? The center continues to move. You can make any chart look like whatever you want it to by playing with values and moving the center around.....and if you knew anything about what you were trying to talk about, you'd know that.

I've never forgotten that, in fact I've had to spell it out for you many times recently. You keep bringing up Stalin when I tell you that she's a socialist and I keep having to point out that while she's a socialist like Stalin was, she's a Hugo Chavez socialist, she wants to have elections.

 

No, it's not evil, it's just such a foolish and incompetent system that it always leads to things like extreme poverty, starvation, and the death of millions of people. Some people would call that "evil", I wouldn't....but intentionally advocating for a system that always leads to extreme poverty, starvation, and the death of millions of people on the other hand....you might make a case for that.

 

It's like your left is my right. And my right is your left.

Which means your right is really guys like Putin and Kim Jong Un - makes sense that you'd support those kinds of people.

 

My god, bunglewagoner is right, she's just like Hitler! Must stop her before she creates movement based on hate of foreigners like herself and exterminates millions of minorities.

 

DPRK is far left wing tard

 

My left yes, but your right. Just like the Nazis are my right, and your left.

Oh wait, you have that definition that everything evil is left and everything good is right!

Jesus - right wing nationalist who feared foreigners and felt the formation of a Christian nation was key as well as being against worker rights or anyone getting a free ride
Hitler - left wing nut who wanted to gives the Jews a free ride to concentration camps and free place to live in ghettos
Osama Bin Laden - leftist as clearly he was against individuals owning the means of production as demonstrated by destroying the WTC and his support for unions
Mother Theresa - clearly a right winger given her efforts to support ownership rights

 

so I am left of you? Brilliant. You've jumped the shark. Please get back on the meds.

 

No, I am right compared to you.

 

you are wrong compared to political compass which is the genesis of the entire discussion going over your disturbed head.

 

Yes, in the 1000s, since it's not the 1000s anymore you can't do a bad job on a map anymore with available tech.

This is where political theory is at in 2018. We know there are left principles and right principles, these are things that do not change.

...wow...you really don't get this...

Again, this isn't about your personal center, it's about the general spectrum.

There are left-wing policies and there are right-wing policies. Do you agree or disagree with that?

 

Ironic that you are lost with your compass but when you confuse your right and left, it's to be expected.



I mean you are so stupid and brainwashed you actually think the Nazi Party actually stands for Socialist Workers haha. Did you ever read anything Hitler wrote????

My goodness what an idiot you truly are. Mentally handicapped would be the PC way to describe it I suppose.

 

This is a popular train of thought you'll see a lot. That everything left is bad, if it is a failed government, it's bad, it must be because of liberal ideas.

I mean, you can find a sane conservative just by asking their thoughts on FDR. Who historically is rated as one of America's best presidents, but the radical right winger will deny basic history to just call him bad because he was obviously a leftie, and look, conservatives were using the same language against FDR then...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...ck-obama/obama-roosevelt-socialist-communist/

So the strategy is the same. Fear monger. They are going to have to explain to people why everyone else in the world can get affordable healthcare and education but Americans eventually.

 

When it comes to a political compass that shows Obama as a pretty far right wing authoritarian and shows Ron Paul as just barely libertarian leaning.....yeah I think physical maps made 2000 years ago are more trustworthy.

Oh trust me, I do get it, and from the looks of it I get it significantly better than you do. I spelled out to you exactly how and why the center of these political compasses are arbitrary and they depend on the scope and values you input. When you say something is a "ring wing policy" or a "left wing policy" those statements only make sense in the context of comparing them to the middle. Saying left or right has no value on their own....which is why you can get this kind of compass to say whatever you want it to say by manipulating the center and a few other values related to the model.

For example, if you are showing -10 through 10, 0 would be the middle right? Well what if you are showing 0 to 20? Completely different middle. In short, what I'm saying is that while political compasses can be fun if they are done right, you shouldn't take them as gospel because they are incredibly subjective.

 

Blunderwagoners reads that propaganda crap that tells him the Nazis were actually leftists because they want to rewrite history and dissolve ideas around nationalism as the root cause of such great evil. They want to be the "good" KKK

 

Again, they based that on actual policies. Like how Obama extended the bush tax cuts for example.

You just think Obama is a socialist because Glenn Beck screamed it enough at you for it to stick.

You literally just don't get it.

If you think there's no such thing as left wing policies or right wing policies you are more clueless about this than I initially thought.

You are basically saying that Free Healthcare can be a right position...this is just a silly notion. You may as well be saying 1+1=8

Again, you seem to have an issue that words and definitions have meanings. To be left on the political spectrum has meaning. It's not something that is decided by Bobby's fantasy world.

 

All you seem to be doing is strawman BS, I've literally never said that Obama was a socialist....because he's not.

As to basing things on "actual policies" it is their subjective interpretation of those policies and where they should fall on the compass, which partially has to do with how they've chosen to center it.

I literally do get it....and you don't, that's the problem. You fail to understand a basic and fundamental fact.....that "right" and "left" are arbitrary and based upon what is being picked as the center.

When it comes to Free Healthcare, it absolutely could be viewed as a right wing position if you set the center far enough left.

To be left on the political spectrum merely means you are left of what is arbitrarily deemed to be the center by the person setting up the model. It means literally nothing else.

A person living in Katy lives in the West when we're centered on Houston, they live in the East when we're centered on San Antonio, they live in the South when we're centered on Dallas, they live in the North when we're centered on Mexico. You saying they live in the West simply because you center the map on Houston is no more valid than a person who says they are in the East based upon them centering the map on San Antonio.

 

Bobbie the not so great

When it comes to Free Healthcare, it absolutely could be viewed as a right wing position if you set the center far enough left.

To be left on the political spectrum merely means you are left of what is arbitrarily deemed to be the center by the person setting up the model. It means literally nothing else.

A person living in Katy lives in the West when we're centered on Houston, they live in the East when we're centered on San Antonio, they live in the South when we're centered on Dallas, they live in the North when we're centered on Mexico. You saying they live in the West simply because you center the map on Houston is no more valid than a person who says they are in the East based upon them centering the map on San Antonio.
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Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has caused poor bobbie to decompensate.

 

Are y'all really arguing about the relativity of directions with Bobby?

 

At least you can admit that you're merely making assumptions.