Fascist tries to kill civilians for political beliefs/Most media ignores it

I want to mention that the symbol of fascism is what gives it its namesake... the fasces. This represents the strength of collective power... in simple terms. The wooden rods are breakable but together they are difficult to break. A nice metaphor and it explains collectivism. This comes from ancient Rome, and this was adopted by Mussolini who just happened to be a collectivist who was right wing. This was a symbol Italians already knew so it worked. This term fascism was born because of his movement and continued, but at the same time another movement of collectivism was taking place. Moving past the term, it is the idea of fascism that is important and not the word and its relation to right or left wing movements. It is an overlapping idea and if you are using modern definitions and terms, communism, which is collectivist funny enough, is in fact an exercise of fascism. Note: I am not saying all collectivists are fascists. I am just pointing out where this word comes from and the evolution of the term. I already explained above the modern definitions of fascism and why it matches communism and why it matches Gregory Timm.

 

Some more thoughts on communism after reading through your posts:

1. Public ownership means... state ownership. Sorry if that's confusing to some. It doesn't mean you and I will get to own the oil companies. The state, claiming to represent the public, will take the ownership of the means of production from public companies that we are allowed to buy into and they will have all of it now. One of the great lies of communism is the claim of public ownership and the claim the "the people" will own it. False. The autocracy owns it.

2. Communism is socialism. I will just point that out. It is the advanced form of it. So, there you go. Just go ahead and contemplate that Bernie fans.

3. Inequality sucks but the inequality that results from capitalism at least generates enormous amounts of wealth. Communism doesn't even provide equality mind you but it does starve people and lead to disaster. But we do need leftists who champion equality to some reasonable extent because without them yes we would be in a real bad situation. Just like the right has a purpose too, to keep us from going into a communist hellhole. They both champion values that keep things balanced

 

First, yes it is a strawman. Authoritarianism is different and means something different. There is overlap but I don't equate them.

Strawman No. 2. below:
Communism and fascism are not the same, but communism is fascism is what I said. They are obviously NOT the same thing. Fascism is a much broader term than communism. I never said fascism is communism. You are taking a wrong position and attributing it to me. Either you don't understand my argument or you are intentionally misrepresenting what I said.

 

If I said all dogs are animals, it doesn't mean I am claiming all animals are dogs.

 

First... yes communism is socialism.

From Encyclopedia Britannica: Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism


Also I don't think Bernie will take us to communism but I don't like the guy's leanings. Too far left. And the farmer's comment... I see it on Clutchfans so often re: Trump. Dude, you just said one example of the gov't giving some money to people. People mind you who would lose the farm, literally, and then there would be a food shortage. It seems more prudent to prop up a food supply if needed, and that doesn't seem much like socialism is going to suddenly take over. You'd be hard pressed to convince me that a Reaganomics type president is going full on Bernie socialist free ice cream for everyone. It seems like more of a pay off for votes more than anything and you seem to acknowledge this reality when you yourself said he's paying them off. So what is it? A hard push left or a bribe for votes? Yeah a bribe for votes. Not a good look, but at the same time not really embracing socialism. Very misleading to call it that. Seems to be some benefits to being in MAGA country... you get help from the highest level when the time comes. So should I be shocked? Money moved to shore up votes and help out a support base? No not really. Is it ethical? Go ahead and say it is awful. But socialism I doubt. He didn't seize control over the means of production, IE the farms. Govt assistance, govt programs, and such, is not equal to socialism. This has been falsely conflated on the left, and actually, mostly on the right.


-From Britannica as well.
Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism

 

My definition claims communism is more of an advanced form of socialism... is that not your opinion? Socialism doesn't disappear.. it just intensifies. I think we agree on that.

 

I already explained why with sources to back it up. I really have nothing more to say regarding this. So you disagree. Good for you.

 

I explained that already. You disagree. Ok? Really you just repeat your disagreement. Got it.

 

Damn.... mine are 2 feet in length and 3 feet in circumference...