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[ESPN] Will Bagwell get lost in Cooperstown crowd?

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  1. eric.81

    eric.81 Contributing Member

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    Rob Neyer's "SweetSpot" blog discussing the latest hall-of-fame ballot and specifically Bagwell's chances. Exerpt below. Good read...

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/6439/will-bagwell-get-lost-in-cooperstown-crowd

     
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    Good Read...
     
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  3. Raven

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    I wonder if this would even be a discussion if he had played in the East.
     
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    Probably not... that wins above replacement player stat is astounding. Considering his defense, baserunning, ability to draw walks, and his homerun power in the cavern that was the Astrodome, he was a pretty excellent baseball player.

    You think he gets painted with the "juice" brush? I had my suspicions, but I think he would've gotten nailed by the Mitchell Report if he had been involved. I know the only evidence against him is circumstantial, but it's fairly compelling anyway.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has gone into the Hall of Fame wearing an Astros hat, correct? Other than Gene Elston (broadcaster) I mean...
     
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    Bagwell has a strong argument for the best NL 1B of all time (before Pujols, that is).

    He is a certified, no argument hall-of-famer. Any voter who doesn't think so needs to remove their east-coast-colored glasses.
     
    #5 msn, Nov 30, 2010
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    Does he pass the Jim Rice test?

    Jim Rice - 41.5 WAR
    Jeff Bagwell - 79.9 WAR

    HoFer, end of discussion. (voters... :rolleyes: )
     
    #6 br0ken_shad0w, Nov 30, 2010
  7. rockets934life

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    My hero but the guy has no shot this year...but next year the class is weak with all the Steriod guys due up. Biggio and Piazza are going to get in and wouldn't it be perfect for both to go in together?
     
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    He'll get in, I don't think there is any question about it... I just don't know if it's this year.
     
    #8 Svpernaut, Nov 30, 2010
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    Either they go in together or they give each other's speech. If they go in together, go ahead and book my plane ticket to Cooperstown!
     
    #9 juicystream, Nov 30, 2010
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    Better get in quick before "the list" gets fully leaked.
     
    #10 emjohn, Nov 30, 2010
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    i was thinkin that too...but then what happens to the guys who are on the list and have already gotten in?
     
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    Actually Biggio is in the 2013 class, with Piazza, Schilling, Clemens, Bonds, and Sosa.

    That class will be interesting, to say the least.

    As for Bagwell, I think his best shot is 2012. There are literally zero HOF worthy players (Javy Lopez, Vinny Castilla, Ruben Sierra, and Bernie Williams are the best of the class) so hopefully they'll vote Bags in just so that someone gets in that year.
     
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    If the voters don't consider defense and baserunning as part of Bagwell's greatness, they shouldn't be voters for the HoF.
     
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    Quoted.
    For.
    Truth.
     
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    Darn, thought Biggio was due in 2012...my fault. Yea 2012 sounds right but 2013 wouldn't be crazy either.
     
    #15 rockets934life, Nov 30, 2010
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    Defense im sure will be considered...but i highly doubt anyone outside of Astros fans know much about his baserunning prowess....certainly not most of the blue hairs on the election committee
     
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    And that's such a shame... he was an excellent baserunner; especially since he wasn't a fast guy. He really was fun to watch play. So was Biggio.
     
    #17 eric.81, Nov 30, 2010
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    total shame.....and u are spot on. those of us who watched him every day are well aware
     
    #18 NJRocket, Nov 30, 2010
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    This year Cy Young Voting showed that young metric minded people are beginning to replace the old guys who look at the same misleading stats.

    I have a feeling the older guys will hold the lack of 500 home runs, which is stupid, against him. It depends on how many of the stat minded people have votes, and how many of the "avg, rbis and homers are all that matter" guys are left.

    Probably not this year, but I have a good feeling about 2012, like i said given this years Cy Young result, i'm liking his chances more than i did when he first retired.
     
    #19 sealclubber1016, Nov 30, 2010
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    NJRocket... we're among the lucky, aren't we? Man... I miss the Astros being good.
     
    #20 eric.81, Nov 30, 2010
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