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Connecting the Trump-Russia Dots

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  1. Rashmon

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    So the guy who pleaded guilty (coffee boy) was in regular contact with Trumps right hand man who writes all his major speeches and designs his foreign policy like the travel ban etc.
     
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    Trump's own CIA Director Mike Pompeo said that Wikileaks is an arm for the Russian government intelligence, and now you have direct communication back and forth between Trump Jr. and Wikileaks.

    You seriously couldn't make this up a year ago. If I told you they'd have half of this level of evidence back then, I WOULD call you crazy.
     
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    Its getting too close to Trump...

     
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    You know what they say, where there is big fire there is something beautiful burning.
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    Flynn indictments must be coming
     
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    There is no reason for a special council for a Clinton problem. The justice department can do that themselves.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Don't let logic get in the way of desperation politics.
     
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    FYI Sessions testified under oath that he was recused from Trump/Russia and all matters regarding The Clinton Foundation.

    This is a direct violation of his recusal and under normal circumstances would lead to an immediate removal from the Senate Judiciary Committee who oversees the justice department.

    This is quite the dilemma for them because if they move forward with recommending his removal that does Trump a favor by opening up the AG spot for Trump to bring in someone who will immediately shut down Mueller’s investigation. My guess is Sessions knows this predicament and he’s banking on the Senate doing nothing while he stays in as AG. If he doesn’t make Trump happy and give him poltical cover, Trump will fire him and throw him to the wolves with Mueller where he is more vulnerable outside of the DOJ. No doubt he sees what’s happening to Flynn now and is going to do anything he can to save his arse.

    This is more insane than any House of Cards episode I’ve ever seen. It’s like an unfunny version of Veep most days but it’s increasingly more like Boardwalk Empire.
     
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  11. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Drip. Drip. Drip
     
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    So...the Executive Branch wants a Special Counsel to investigate the Special Counsel that is investigating the Executive Branch?
     
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    "Well well well... now that you say it, I do remember some low level collusion going on..."

     
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    I always told the truth, except for when I forgot to, which just happened to be the one thing you were trying to figure out and the one thing I didn't want others to know about.
     
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    Sessions memory seems to be improving... here is describes what appears to be efforts to build a foreign affairs team that included people like page, Papadoupolis and work along with Clovis.

     
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    All those conservatives whining about Roy Moore coverage better pray that it continues feel steam ahead this week.
     
  18. Rashmon

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    Full article is pretty damaging...

    The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks

    Julia Ioffes
    This story was updated on November 13 at 10:28 pm

    Just before the stroke of midnight on September 20, 2016, at the height of last year’s presidential election, the WikiLeaks Twitter account sent a private direct message to Donald Trump Jr., the Republican nominee’s oldest son and campaign surrogate. “A PAC run anti-Trump site putintrump.org is about to launch,” WikiLeaks wrote. “The PAC is a recycled pro-Iraq war PAC. We have guessed the password. It is ‘putintrump.’ See ‘About’ for who is behind it. Any comments?” (The site, which has since become a joint project with Mother Jones, was founded by Rob Glaser, a tech entrepreneur, and was funded by Progress for USA Political Action Committee.)

    The next morning, about 12 hours later, Trump Jr. responded to WikiLeaks. “Off the record I don’t know who that is, but I’ll ask around,” he wrote on September 21, 2016. “Thanks.”

    The messages, obtained by The Atlantic, were also turned over by Trump Jr.’s lawyers to congressional investigators.

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    Though Trump Jr. mostly ignored the frequent messages from WikiLeaks, he at times appears to have acted on its requests. When WikiLeaks first reached out to Trump Jr. about putintrump.org, for instance, Trump Jr. followed up on his promise to “ask around.” According to a source familiar with the congressional investigations into Russian interference with the 2016 campaign, who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, on the same day that Trump Jr. received the first message from WikiLeaks, he emailed other senior officials with the Trump campaign, including Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway, Brad Parscale, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, telling them WikiLeaks had made contact. Kushner then forwarded the email to campaign communications staffer Hope Hicks. At no point during the 10-month correspondence does Trump Jr. rebuff WikiLeaks, which had published stolen documents and was already observed to be releasing information that benefited Russian interests.

    ...

    On October 3, 2016, WikiLeaks wrote again. “Hiya, it’d be great if you guys could comment on/push this story,” WikiLeaks suggested, attaching a quote from then-Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton about wanting to “just drone” WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange.

    “Already did that earlier today,” Trump Jr. responded an hour-and-a-half later. “It’s amazing what she can get away with.”

    Two minutes later, Trump Jr. wrote again, asking, “What’s behind this Wednesday leak I keep reading about?” The day before, Roger Stone, an informal advisor to Donald Trump, had tweeted, “Wednesday@HillaryClinton is done. #WikiLeaks.”

    WikiLeaks didn’t respond to that message, but on October 12, 2016, the account again messaged Trump Jr. “Hey Donald, great to see you and your dad talking about our publications,” WikiLeaks wrote. (At a rally on October 10, Donald Trump had proclaimed, “I love WikiLeaks!”)

    “Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us,” WikiLeaks went on, pointing Trump Jr. to the link wlsearch.tk, which it said would help Trump’s followers dig through the trove of stolen documents and find stories. “There’s many great stories the press are missing and we’re sure some of your follows [sic] will find it,” WikiLeaks went on. “Btw we just released Podesta Emails Part 4.”

    Trump Jr. did not respond to this message. But just 15 minutes after it was sent, as The Wall Street Journal’s Byron Tau pointed out, Donald Trump himself tweeted, “Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks. So dishonest! Rigged system!”

    Two days later, on October 14, 2016, Trump Jr. tweeted out the link WikiLeaks had provided him. “For those who have the time to read about all the corruption and hypocrisy all the @wikileaks emails are right here: http://wlsearch.tk/,” he wrote.

    After this point, Trump Jr. ceased to respond to WikiLeaks’s direct messages, but WikiLeaks escalated its requests.

    “Hey Don. We have an unusual idea,” WikiLeaks wrote on October 21, 2016. “Leak us one or more of your father’s tax returns.” WikiLeaks then laid out three reasons why this would benefit both the Trumps and WikiLeaks. One, The New York Times had already published a fragment of Trump’s tax returns on October 1; two, the rest could come out any time “through the most biased source (e.g. NYT/MSNBC).”

    It is the third reason, though, WikiLeaks wrote, that “is the real kicker.” “If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,” WikiLeaks explained. “That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won’t be perceived as coming from a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source.” It then provided an email address and link where the Trump campaign could send the tax returns, and adds, “The same for any other negative stuff (documents, recordings) that you think has a decent chance of coming out. Let us put it out.”

    Trump Jr. did not respond to this message.

    WikiLeaks didn’t write again until Election Day, November 8, 2016. “Hi Don if your father ‘loses’ we think it is much more interesting if he DOES NOT conceed [sic] and spends time CHALLENGING the media and other types of rigging that occurred—as he has implied that he might do,” WikiLeaks wrote at 6:35pm, when the idea that Clinton would win was still the prevailing conventional wisdom. (As late as 7:00pm that night, FiveThirtyEight, a trusted prognosticator of the election, gave Clinton a 71 percent chance of winning the presidency.) WikiLeaks insisted that contesting the election results would be good for Trump’s rumored plans to start a media network should he lose the presidency. “The discussion can be transformative as it exposes media corruption, primary corruption, PAC corruption, etc.,” WikiLeaks wrote.

    Shortly after midnight that day, when it was clear that Trump had beaten all expectations and won the presidency, WikiLeaks sent him a simple message: “Wow.”

    Trump Jr. did not respond to these messages either, but WikiLeaks was undeterred. “Hi Don. Hope you’re doing well!” WikiLeaks wrote on December 16 to Trump Jr., who was by then the son of the president-elect. “In relation to Mr. Assange: Obama/Clinton placed pressure on Sweden, UK and Australia (his home country) to illicitly go after Mr. Assange. It would be real easy and helpful for your dad to suggest that Australia appoint Assange ambassador to [Washington,] DC.”

    WikiLeaks even imagined how Trump might put it: “‘That’s a real smart tough guy and the most famous australian [sic] you have!’ or something similar,” WikiLeaks wrote. “They won’t do it but it will send the right signals to Australia, UK + Sweden to start following the law and stop bending it to ingratiate themselves with the Clintons.” (On December 7, Assange, proclaiming his innocence, had released his testimony in front of London investigators looking into accusations that he had committed alleged sexual assault.)

    In the winter and spring, WikiLeaks went largely silent, only occasionally sending Trump Jr. links. But on July 11, 2017, three days after The New York Times broke the story about Trump Jr.’s June 2016 meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer with connections to Russia’s powerful prosecutor general, WikiLeaks got in touch again.

    “Hi Don. Sorry to hear about your problems,” WikiLeaks wrote. “We have an idea that may help a little. We are VERY interested in confidentially obtaining and publishing a copy of the email(s) cited in the New York Times today,” citing a reference in the paper to emails Trump Jr had exchanged with Rob Goldstone, a publicist who had helped set up the meeting. “We think this is strongly in your interest,” WikiLeaks went on. It then reprised many of the same arguments it made in trying to convince Trump Jr. to turn over his father’s tax returns, including the argument that Trump’s enemies in the press were using the emails to spin an unfavorable narrative of the meeting. “Us publishing not only deprives them of this ability but is beautifully confounding.”

    The message was sent at 9:29 am on July 11. Trump Jr. did not respond, but just hours later, he posted the emails himself, on his own Twitter feed.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    Gee, now why would Trump's son-in-law hide this??

    Senate Judiciary Committee: Kushner forwarded emails about 'a Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite'

    http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-emails-russia-backdoor-feinstein-grassley-2017-11
     
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    Man o Man, if we can get Trump Jr. and Kushner behind bars, that would just be spectacular.
     

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