1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[CHRONIC Dick Justice] So that's why the Rockets could still use Tracy McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Apr 22, 2009.

  1. Dave_78

    Dave_78 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2006
    Messages:
    10,809
    Likes Received:
    373
    Usually when a guy is getting all those "easy shots" thanks to a team mate his FG% will go up.
     
  2. DorianTurk

    DorianTurk Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    181
    yao having a better fg% could also result from LESS shots!

    okay in 06-07 he played 55 games and put up 944 shots. if he played 79 games that year he would've gotten 1223 attempts! in 07-08 he could have had 1356 attempts! obviously with tmac he is recieving the ball more and getting more attempts and the more shots you take could lead to a worse %. just sayin
     
  3. DorianTurk

    DorianTurk Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    181
    tmac is obviously the most effective person at finding yao anywhere on the court. his court vision and length is just unprecedented.
     
  4. Chronz

    Chronz Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    814
    Likes Received:
    11
    The increase in FG% is due to a decreased role offensively. The loss of one usually means the gain of the other. With a HEALTHY Tmac around and this same offense Yao's FG% would be even greater, his turnover rate would be down from not having to create so much on his own, so his overall efficiency would be better.

    In ever year prior to this one, Yao has been more efficient with Tmac on the floor than without.

    You can say Tmac has his faults with the offense, what you cannot deny is that his game has a tangible impact on Yao's. Now Ron and Von Wafer are different cases but honestly we never got to see a healthy Mac with those guys.
     
  5. KiwiRocket

    KiwiRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    363
    Likes Received:
    18
    We have all seen this team in previous last years when both were on the court , you cant deny that Tmac creates alot for Yao. Yaos PPG is also down and is taking less shots. We need a creator in the worst way. I just hope RA figures this Yao issue out.
     
  6. gamor

    gamor Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    2
    Why Tmac? with $21m dollars, any player can do the job better than Tmac.

    I rather take Joe Johnson over Tmac.

    Too damn bad, they didn't trade Tmac for Billups.

    Tmac's basketball career is over. wake up,people.
     
  7. DorianTurk

    DorianTurk Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    181
    Okay but the thing with that is does joe johnson have the court vision of a tmac? tmac has the length and height to see over most 2 guards and 3s in this league. even people have compared Tmacs passing to of a certain magic johnson. :) although that could be a stretch you cannot deny his effectiveness of getting yao the ball in his most effective spots.
     
  8. KiwiRocket

    KiwiRocket Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    363
    Likes Received:
    18
    Dosent matter regardless because McGrady is most likely done in Houston. I am just frustrated to see our marquee player, our most dominant scorer Yao in situations like game 2!! and having a player create for him would have been great but we dont have that..Please RA sort it out, because if our guards aint hitting their shots we are going to look bad.
     
  9. Lugz504

    Lugz504 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2002
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    3
    Not taking that trade stings so bad. I feel we would have come 2nd in the west, maybe 4.5 games behind the Lakers. I can't imagine what our defensive stats would have been with the addition of Billups and Prince...
     
  10. DorianTurk

    DorianTurk Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    181
    well we will see. if morey cant get anything to help the team then i think he'll just let his contract expire and explore the gold rush we all know as 2010 free agent class.
     
  11. DorianTurk

    DorianTurk Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,171
    Likes Received:
    181
    well according to a thread i had read earlier today (sorry i can not find it at the moment) but they offered us hamilton and a filler *either wallace or mcdyess but only if we released mcyess immediately* and morey asked for billups but they immediately rejected so yeah.
     
  12. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    37,999
    Likes Received:
    15,462
    Before this season, Yao's FG% has been better with McGrady also on the court rather than off every year -- 04/05, 05/06, 06/07, and 07/08. That's what the 82games player pairs shows.
     
  13. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,614
    Likes Received:
    211
    he could still play if you saw this year. it's just the pain/soreness in the knee prevented it. whenever he got rest, he would play like near his old self (20, 7, 7) for 5-6 games and the soreness returns.

    if microfracture can help him deal with the soreness, he should be fine. guys like jkidd and jermaine o'neal can still play fine and tracy is much more talented.

    it depends on whether he is motivated. and 2 things are in his favor:
    1) everybody thinks he's done.
    2) contract year

    that's enough to motivate anybody.
     
  14. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,614
    Likes Received:
    211
    but he's def. not as dominant that's for sure. yao's averaging career low in shot

    yao's averaging career low in shots and ft attempts sinc the tmac-yao era.

    you see more and more games yao is a nonfactor offensively when teams front him.

    this is now yao's team. but do you really feel like it is with games like game 2?
     
  15. BrooksBall

    BrooksBall Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2007
    Messages:
    20,568
    Likes Received:
    256
    durvasa,

    He wasn't playing like himself for 5 to 6 game stretches. It was closer to 1 or 2 game stretches and even partial game stretches in some cases. And in most of those games where he put up big numbers (those triple-double or near triple-double performances) he was noticeably lagging on defense for longer stretches than usual. Even offensively, he was less mobile than the normal McGrady and plays developed even slower than usual because of it. He had to pick and choose his spots at both ends in order to be effective in any capacity.

    There may have been 1 game this entire season where he was able to give normal McGrady effort at both ends of the court.

    If anything, his offensive output in a few games this season was incredible given how much his knee was obviously holding him back. Even in those games, he wasn't able to go near 100%.
     
  16. Almu

    Almu Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    2,387
    Likes Received:
    40
    And though we did have Broke Back T-Mac, we won oodles of titles.

    Yep. Makes sense. :rolleyes:
     
  17. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,614
    Likes Received:
    211
    1) check the 5-6 games after his first come back. those are very good #s.
    2) check the 5 games after his 2nd comeback.

    it seems like if he rested it long enough, the paint/soreness only goes away for a hndful of games. it comes back and limits him.

    yes, his defense was BEYOND ATROCIOUS the whole year.

    but the point is, he still has "game" left in him. and that was on ONE leg. as long as he gets the "other" knee right where the soreness isn't limiting him, he could still be a very good player. all-star again? highly unlikely.

    PS - his microfracture surgery is as least extensive as you can get. that's also in his favor.
     
  18. Yao4REAL

    Yao4REAL Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2007
    Messages:
    3,856
    Likes Received:
    133
    It don't matter if we have Tmac. This team have players that attack the baskets more than Tmac can only dream of!! If we Tmac, he would be chucking up shots just like Artest being as consistent as Artest or shall i say "inconsistent." And his lack of D will kill this team.

    It'll real easy to look for a need when you lose a game, but when you win ....then everything is nice. Bottom line, stop thinking Tracy is going to help because if we win that 2nd game, nothing really matter. And we have a chance to win that game too! We're capable of beating anybody with this lineup is what i am saying.
     
  19. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,614
    Likes Received:
    211
    our defense last yr v. utah > than our defense the first 2 games v. the blazers. a relatively healthy tmac in the playoffs does not "kill" your D.

    justice mentioned that in his article. if you're talking about the "injured" mcgrady this year, then it's an emphatic yes. but justice didn't mention that we miss that mcgrady. we miss tmac.
     
  20. bjshot

    bjshot Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2006
    Messages:
    912
    Likes Received:
    4
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now