But we’re not getting an inefficient 40 every night. We’re getting THE MOST inefficient 23 points per game. Hardens scoring efficiency is up 1.4%, I guess we could give Westbrook 100% of the credit for that....
yall out here acting like wb puts up 40 a night like harden on efficiency. not even close cp3 is still who he is. low volume efficiency couple with high iq and actual skills. he's never been the type of player to put up 20+ shots every single night. yet still is able to put his mark on the game in a variety of his own ways. the shade some of you try to throw at this guy is ridiculous
Who says WB is putting up 40 a night with Harden like efficiencies. No one except Harden do that in this league. What we need WB to do is exactly what he has been doing for the past 6 games, attack the rim relentlessly while we are down. What shades are we throwing, this entire thread is clutchfans jerking off over CP3 who last season while getting paid 40 mil, sat out the hardest part of the regular season while Harden has to average 50 a game to keep us in the playoff picture. And when the playoffs did come he couldn't do anything right including shooting open 3's, managing his turnovers, or run the offense effectively while the ball is out of Harden's hands. I would rather die with WB this season and have to watch CP3 decline further. I could rather tank than stick with CP3 this season, because it was obvious last year it wasn't good enough.
Do I need to point out the obvious?.. CP3 is averaging 16 points on elite efficiency (shooting splits of 47/38/90). Also 3.7:1 assist to turnover ratio. Westbrook is a brick layer and has a 1.7:1 assist to turnover ratio (abysmal for anyone who calls himself a playmaker).
there's plenty of shade thrown. this is a cp3 thread yet wb gets brought up for scoring 40 on 30 shots. this board was laughing at him for doing that when he was okc. you can start right there. people acting like cp3 wasn't great for the rockets. they were a championship team with him no question. and even last year they finished both top 5 in offense and defense rating after the break healthy and yet once again you're throwing shade yourself acting like he was a complete dud. that's your problem. reality says different. harden is averaging more points than ever at nearly 40 a game. you can love wb all day. doesn't mean you have to post bs about cp3 as if he wasn't great here and one of the few guys who actually wanted to play with harden and take out a dynasty together. everyone else basically gave up.
WB is averaging 50% TS how does that translate to "most inefficient 23 ppg ever"? Sure that's not the best but you are acting like he is shooting 16% from the field lmao. You gotta stop exaggeration like this it makes you look dumb. Cp3 has 13% better efficiency (63% TS) but in terms of putting points on the board 16 pts on 13% better efficiency isnt that far removed from 23 pts on 13% less efficiency. Impact wise if you do the math 23 pts is actually superior cuz 13% of 16 is just 2.08 so you gained more points than you lost efficiency. That also means Harden is shouldering less load this year than the last which bodes well for the playoffs. Averaging 1.4% higher is big when the dude shoots as much as James Harden. That translates to 2-3 pts more per game and how many games we lost last year by a couple of posessions?
I didn’t say worst ever. And good lord. This jibberish math you just tried to pass off is mind blowing. That’s not how this works. At all. Paul is taking NINE less shots to get his points. That’s nine shots other teammates are taking that are also much more efficient than Westbrook’s crappy 50% TS. Among all players who shoot the ball 15+ times per game Westbrook just edges out Lavert for the 2nd worst scoring efficiency in the entire league. Among all players with a usage % above 30% Westbrook is dead last in scoring efficiency. Yes 50% TS is REALLY that bad and even more so when you shoot that much. How in Christ’s sake do you figure Harden is shouldering less of a load? He’s playing more minutes and shooting the ball more than last season. You are living in a fantasy land man.
You do realize we are requiring Harden to average about 40 per game on the best efficiency he has ever had to make up for Westbrook’s abysmal high volume shooting to also keep us in the playoff picture right? The injury stuff I get, but let’s not act like Westbrook is making this **** easy on Harden.
Your exact quote is "THE MOST inefficient 23 ppg" that's not the worst ever? You realize what the words "most inefficient" means right especially when you capitalize THE MOST? Your mistake is thinking everyone is a machine they can take as many shots as there are available and still hit it at a high percentage. Look at Cp3 this is supposed to be his team he is the only star in OKC and he has monopoly over the ball why isnt his attempts up? By your logic he should be putting up Hardenesque nos cuz he has all these shots available to him. The reality is he cant shoot a lot anymore on a nightly basis thats why his average remains the same. This is the same reason why EG has been the superior player to Scrubberson even if EG's 18 ppg is a lot less efficient than Anderson's 12 ppg. Efficiency is important but volume is also important. If a dude shot 100% but only take 1 FG every night then nobody is gonna call that guy a GOAT. Harden is shooting the ball more cuz Rox have higher pace. It doesnt mean he has more load relative to last season cuz there are more attempts to go around hence he has more attempts. Rox take 9 more shots this year than last year thats why they also have more leeway on FG%. Harden is playing all of 1 min higher than last year, that is an immaterial diff. Mentally though his load has been a lot lighter this year. The make up of this roster has always been Harden, EG + a bunch of guys with low volume, thats puts a lot of burden on Harden cuz even if the other guys are efficient if they all score <14 where is the rest of the points coming from? Now we have WB to take up that slack instead of Harden always having to put up MVP nos every game. The last game showed that, Harden didnt have it but he didnt need to force it and he was able to settle for a "modest" 28. If we had Cp3 then Cp3 will put up his 16 ppg as he always does but Harden needs to put up 10-15 more pts on the board. Cp3 also has the habit of ordering people around but not really standing up when the pressure is high, he lets Harden handle it cuz Harden is the franchise player. WB oth leads by example he is super stubborn and wont back aaay from anyone or any situation. That might not always work out but when Harden is in a tight spot at least he has WB in his corner trying to make things happen.
Yes and I posted the numbers showing he is the most inefficient high volume scorer this season. Your mistake is thinking that finding a guy to chuck up 20+ shots per game and getting on average about 23 points is something hard to find in today’s NBA. You are essentially making my argument for me. Efficiency is important, but volume is also important. As in, it’s IMPORTANT to have LOW VOLUME when your EFFICIENCY is TERRIBLE! Yes, CP3 is smart enough to know to not take a bunch of dumbass shots to inflate his scoring numbers, but hurt the team. Reminder our offense is still at a 4 year low. Every rotation player on OKC has a higher TS% than Westbrook, so CP3 taking less shots so his teammates can shoot more is better than Westbrook chucking up 7-8 more shots per game at his bottom of the league efficiency. Right. More minutes, more shots, more possessions = lighter work load? And once you veer our discussion away from the original point. There’s no need to go any further. The argument isn’t about health, super stubbornness, lead by example crap. You are trying to spin Westbrook’s low efficiency, high volume scoring into a positive. It’s not. He has positive attributes. Scoring isn’t one of them because he still takes too many dumb shots while also just being a flat out poor shooter. It literally is the one aspect of his game that is holding him back from being all star level. You ever wonder how James Harden, who at BEST is a league average defender throughout the years, manages to consistently be a top MVP candidate and sit atop all the advanced metrics that point to winning? High efficiency, high volume offense is essentially the holy grail of the NBA. By that same token the opposite, low efficiency and high volume is just about the worst thing there is in the NBA. It’s what drags Westbrook so far down.
Ok so now you are back to WB being the least efficient player ever why do you keep flip flopping on this? If its so easy why is Cp3 averaging 16 ppg instead of 23? What I'm saying to you is some players just cant shoot as many shots as there is available. PJ Tucker for example will never average 23 ppg even if Harden gets injured. So you keep saying there are more shots for others thats just not true at all as there are already more than enough shots for everyone. As for Harden's load its not just putting up shots its taking the brunt of defenses Klay Thompson for example takes more shots and mins than Iggy but Iggy had a heavier load than KT cuz he was the playmaker of the bench. You are right Harden is great because he has high efficiency with volume but that's why he is the MVP. Both WB and Cp3 arent MVPs though so that doesnt matter. Cp3's high efficiency but low volume is just as bad as WB's high volume low efficiency, like I said WB's is better cuz Harden has less load with somebody else putting up shots. You might not see WB's volume as a good thing but not everything can be explained by simple stats. Unfortunately I'm not part of Morey's circle so I cant give you the stats they look at. But I'm sure WB is def having a great impact on this team and his aggresiveness is helping the team out despite his low efficiency. Just watch the game.
lol The logic is awesome. 16 points is low volume. 23 is high. Saying 3 different times with stats to prove it that he is the least efficient high volume scorer in the league this season is some how flip flopping Westbrook bricking 5-7 midrange and 3 point shots per game that he doesn’t need to take is really helping Harden out with the workload. There’s no way Westbrook could forgo taking shots he always misses and find a teammate to take a better shot. I guarantee you that our in house stats are showing a big problem with Westbrook. Because there literally isn’t a stat available saying Westbrook is really helping us out. I watch the games. The stats confirm what I’m seeing most nights.
This was cool. A glimpse of how Chris Paul sees the game: Would really be interested to see James Harden do something like this.
