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Cheney's Sharp Criticism Miffs Russia

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  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Contributing Member

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    Cheney spreading his grumpiness to the rest of the world...

    Cheney's Sharp Criticism Miffs Russia

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060504...GB_5GIA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

    VILNIUS, Lithuania - Vice President Dick Cheney on Thursday accused Russia of cracking down on religious and political rights and using its energy reserves as "tools of intimidation or blackmail." It was a hard slap at Vladimir Putin as the United States seeks Russia's cooperation in punishing Iran.

    Cheney's criticism — some of the administration's toughest language about Russia — came just two months before President Bush joins Putin in St. Petersburg for a summit of major industrial powers. Cheney warned that Russia's backsliding could harm Moscow's relations with the United States and Europe.

    "Russia has a choice to make. And there is no question that a return to democratic reform in Russia will generate future success for its people and greater respect among fellow nations," the vice president said in remarks to Eastern European leaders who govern in Moscow's enormous shadow.

    Russian officials reacted angrily.

    "Cheney's speech looks like a provocation and interference in Russia's internal affairs in terms of its content, form and place," former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin expressed annoyance that Russia had not been invited to the conference of former Soviet republics and allies.

    A Russian lawmaker, ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky, dismissed Cheney's comments as "absolutely false accusations." He said Cheney had expressed the opinion "of only part of the U.S. political elite" but not that of Bush.

    The White House said Cheney's criticism was a reiteration of concerns expressed by Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

    Early this year the administration angered Russia with criticism that the Kremlin had used its energy resources as a political weapon by sharply raising natural gas prices to Western-leaning Ukraine amid a sharp dispute that led to a halt of gas exports to other European nations. An agreement eventually ended the impasse, but it raised questions of Russia's dependability as a supplier.

    Washington has since tried to avoid provoking Russia, during sensitive negotiations over the international response to Iran's disputed nuclear program. Russia stands as the main obstacle to tough penalties or other measures to deter Iran from pursuing nuclear technology the West says is part of a drive to build a bomb.

    Russia is a permanent, veto-holding member of the U.N. Security Council and has said it is opposed to tough punishment for Iran, a major trade and investment partner. Russia recently rebuffed U.S. requests to end or scale back nuclear cooperation and arms deals with Tehran.

    Rice has said it is too soon to tell whether Russia will allow the Security Council to act against Iran.

    Cheney's address was the centerpiece of his six-day trip to Lithuania, Kazakhstan and Croatia. He held individuals meetings Thursday with the leaders of Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland and Georgia.

    In his speech, Cheney said opponents of reform in Russia "are seeking to reverse the gains of the last decade" after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet empire.

    "In many areas of civil society — from religion and the news media to advocacy groups and political parties — the government has unfairly and improperly restricted the rights of her people," Cheney said.

    "Other actions by the Russian government have been counterproductive and could begin to affect relations with other countries," he said.

    Cheney said "no legitimate interest is served when oil and gas become tools of intimidation or blackmail ... and no one can justify actions that undermine the territorial integrity of a neighbor or interfere with democratic movements."

    U.S. officials said Cheney's remark concerning territorial integrity was meant to apply to Georgia and Moldova, both former parts of the Soviet Union where the administration says Russia is playing an unhelpful role in solving separatist conflicts.

    Russia has had military bases in Georgia as well as troops in Moldova. The United States says Russia has completed agreements for the withdrawal of almost all its forces from Georgia, but talks with Moldova have not been as satisfactory.

    Moldova fought a war more than a decade ago with Trans-Dniester, a Russian-speaking breakaway enclave.

    Much of the vice president's speech was a compliment to Eastern European countries for the strides they have made toward democracy, a summons to maintain a "steady, hopeful advancement over time" and a pledge that the United States would help.

    Lithuanian President Valdas Adamkus, who hosted the conference, voiced concern that the freedoms gained since the end of the Cold War might not prove to be as durable as hoped. "Even if the choice of democracy is open to all states and peoples, the threat of new Iron Curtains in minds and on the ground has not disappeared," he said from the same podium where Cheney later delivered his own remarks.
     
  2. Lil Pun

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    The Russian media are saying that these remarks are the beginning of a new Cold War. Great.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Since Putin isn't the lap dog Tony Blair is and Russia won’t follow Jr into Iran, what's dead eye dick going to call Russia now? Can't use "old Europe" it's been used.
     
  4. tigermission1

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    'Dying Europe' maybe?
     
  5. glynch

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    Some have speculated that these dimwits in the Bush Adminstration may eventually wind up with either Chinese or Russian nukes in Iran to keep the neocon nutsos from more destabilizing.

    Evey day we have: Condi, Bush, Cheney "warning" "demanding" "criticizing" "complainng" about Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran, France, Gemany, Bolivia, Syria, even Canada. Don't these dimwits know that this is sort of like when the teacher is pissed at the whole class, nobody is that threatened?

    The only thing I can think of is that they are so used to bsing in front of carefully screened audiences and intimidating middle of the road Democrats and gutless journalists, that they don't realize their own limitations.
     
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  6. HayesStreet

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    Interesting that those who are normally quick to call Bush/Cheney fascists are showing support for Putin, lol.
     
  7. mc mark

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    Hey! We're not the ones who said they looked into his soul and found he was a good man.
     
  8. HayesStreet

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    I'm not sure what you're referencing - did Bush say that?
     
  9. glynch

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    Yeah we are all just a bunch of commies as you suspected since you were a teenager supporting the Committee for the Present Danger or whatever. ;)
     
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    Mr Bush said

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1392791.stm
     
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    link

    Bush's soul searching skill needs impovement I guess. :D
     
  12. HayesStreet

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    Glynch, I don't think too many people would be suprised if you were a communist. And yes, that's an insult. However, I wasn't accusing anyone of being a communist.

    Yeah, well we're already in agreement that Bush is an idiot, right? :D
     
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    yea, Vlad Putin ,to me looks like a badass coldblooded mofo who would slap the hell outta u if u look at him wrong.

    he has got that stonecold assassin aura about him, since he was head of the KGB. He aint Bush's b**** , unlike Tony.
     
  14. Doctor Robert

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    Our administration is a bunch of fumbling idiots when it comes to diplomacy. At a time when we need Russia and China's support for action against Iran, they are travelling around the world making critical speeches. I'm not saying that the criticism isn't justified, but that is irrelevant. The administration has made Iran a major issue and now they are sabotaging their own goals. The one scenario where they are not sabotaging their own goal is if they are planning on another unilateral military action, and have no interest in UN decisions.

    It goes in the same category as declaring the Iraq war over, Colin Powel's UN speech, and saying no one could foresee the levees breaking.
     
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  15. Dubious

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    I would be a communist if everybody else would, the problem with communism isn't it's philosophy it's the propensity for people to be corrupt. As a philosphy it holds a higher moral ground than capitalism, even a more 'christian' philosphy in that it promotes selflessness.

    There has never been a real communist government, only totalitarian socialist systems that get labled communist. A real communal government would have to be democratic.

    I just couldn't trust the rest of you f*ckers to do your part and not take more than you need. :D
     
  16. MadMax

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    i LOVE this post!!! :D a ton of truth there.
     
  17. HayesStreet

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    That certainly is a problem with any form of government. I think communism has more problems than just corruption though. Having a centralized and all controlling apparatus is the reason there is a propensity for totalitarianism in communist systems and the horrors that accompany them. There are also problems with things like innovation. There isn't an incentive to bust out like there is in capitalism. As for the morality of capitalism - Paul said "if any would not work, neither should he eat." (2 Thes 3:10) :) As it is - in this world - being a communist is not desirable IMO because its led to the same undesirable and often catastrophic results in every case.
     
  18. nyquil82

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    At this point, I can't be mad at the administration anymore. Voters of the US, this blame is on you. Never give either political party full control of this country again.
     
  19. peleincubus

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    madmarx :cool:
     
  20. wnes

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    Whoa, I didn't know the hayes-morality-capitalism combo is actually guided by the Bible!

    But strangely it seems that your God may be a socialist!

     

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