I agree with you, but the hook is that high pick along with their own lottery pick. I'm not trying to make the Rockets winners on the side of the trade, I'm just throwing propositions out there. Miami needs to start over and to rid themselves of Zo's 19mill, they're going to have to take some contracts. They're already pretty much screwed with the Jones and Grant contract at 11mil apiece. It was just a thought, but I think the Rockets are thinking they need to do everything possible to stay out the lotto next yr. The last thing you want is to give the Grizz a high pick, open a stadium without a winning team, plus everone knows this is a football city 1st,basketball 2nd and now you have to compete with the Texans.
Nothing personal, but count me among those who don't put a whole lot of value into 'Greenway's' opinions right now. 'Don't think Steve is this, they see Cato as this, Mo is this',....whatever! Granted, they know 100X more about the game & their team than I or anyone else (except for OP ) on this board. But then again, just look at their roster. Half of the players are talented, significant contributors, the other half should be in the CBA or Europe. A lotto team with several huge contracts playing poor basketball. And now, they're talking about possibly trading their best player, which would make them the new Golden State Warriors. But I'll always be a fan.
NJR - that may be the Heats' goal, but they're going to have more trouble moving Brian Grant next summer (5 yrs / $55.6m) than we will Rice (1 year @ 9.6m)! Maybe they can deal Grant to SA but ransom is not Duncan's style. I would put the Heat well behind the Rockets in any attempt at Duncan IMO.
Hottoddie throws the salary cap wrench in the trade, $19.5m salary for Malone!! This is what I get for biting on a tongue-in-cheek, sacrilegious trade thought by grummett. hehe. But in true Hottoddie fashion, I say it still can work. The idea involves 3 teams, and surely it goes down as one trade. We merely make the team taking Francis to take Moochie as well, that puts us in compliance (sum of Rice, Francis, Mooch). So, Utah remains $7m out of complaince as we are only sending them Rice, so the 3rd team merely has to move out move than we give them, and they move that to Utah. So, Chicago moves Fizer and Crawford (who they no longer need) to Utah, and whatever filler remains is Collier. or Cleveland has the pick we want and moves Ilgaukas and Ricky Davis to Utah or Memphis has the pick for JWill so takes Francis and moves their current Jason Williams to Utah. or GS takes Francis and moves Troy Murphy and Chris Mills (expiring contract) to Utah. or Atlanta gets the pick and moves Kukoc to Utah. btw: we land a $3m trade exception in this, and end up $15m under the cap (or so).
What about swapping Mo for Grant...we get the rebounding we need...Miami gets what some who take good drugs perceive to be a 4 who can score...I can change my signature TRADE ACCEPTED
We'd have to give them Mo + change for BG. BG is Glen Rice II, with his best days behind him because of injury. Playing the West won't help him either. And I'm as big of a BG fan as there is.
HeyPartner, I see where you're coming from, but what do we do about a PG? Is Brown ready to be a starter? Assuming everything came together & we traded Taylor for Lewis, we'd have a team of: C: Cato/Collier/Willis? PF: Malone/Griffin/KT SF: Lewis/T-Mo SG: Mobley/Torres PG: Brown/? If you remove Malone from that team after next year, would that nucleus be enough to bring Duncan to Houston? Call me dumb, but that looks pretty risky to me.
Toddie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at the trade scenario again. You are missing something major. You traded Francis for nothing?
The only way Karl Malone gets traded is if he demands it; that entails veto power, and the chances of him ok'ing a deal involving him landing with a lottery team are next to none. The player most likely being alluded to is Donyell Marshall. None of that has to do with the real point of this thread anyways though. And this... .... is purposefully misleading. You imply that there's doubt concerning his ability as a basketball player. The actual concern was over his health (ie: just being able to be on the floor). Pipe dreams are fun though......
Oops! So, you're saying that we'd end up getting the #1 overall pick (Ming), in addition to Malone? What would you do about the PG position? Would you pursue Jeff McInnis with the mid-level exception this off season? C: Ming/Cato/Collier PF: Malone/Griffin/KT SF: Lewis/T-Mo SG: Mobley/Torres PG: McInnis/Brown Now, that wouldn't be a bad team, assuming that Ming is the real deal.
Good Point TPL...the only way Malone is going to agree to a trade is if he thinks he has a chance of winning a championship...he certainly wont be interested in ending his career as a future cap room clearer. I dont see it Marshall makes more sense , although in my opinion, he is a very similar player to eddie
This is what I was trying to establish from HP about 3 hours ago. If #6 and KT is enough to get Malone then domino 2 is whether or not Francis and 14/15 is enough to pry Ming form GS or Chicago. I wouldn't won't think KT & 15 would get Malone from the Jazz. Why do I suddenly feel terrible contemplating Malone in PJ's?
TPL, good post, as usual. Malone would probably retire first before he approved a move to Houston, unless Les gave him a percentage of the team, a la Jordan & the Wiz. There may be a better chance of Houston acting as a facilitator of a Utah-Dallas swap, however. Hey, what about a Utah-Charlotte\NO-Houston swap involving Malone? NO is close to home, sort of.
If Malone goes anywhere, my guess is that it owuld be to an eastern conf team...otherwise, he basically has no chance of getting back to the finals unless he goes to the Lakers or perhaps the Mavs
This has got to be one of the most outragous trade scenarios of all time. You guys seriously believe we would trade our franchise player? You really think that the Rockets organization would take that risk? Why not just trade for Duncan outright next year? Wouldn't that be less risky? If we want Duncan then wouldn't it be easier just to trade a signed Francis if Duncan decides this is the place for him. I tell you what, if Duncan wants to come here, one of the biggest reason would be because of Franchise. Also, you guys seem to forget that we do not have a first round pick next year. What happens if this backfires and we do not get Duncan? We will not trade Francis unless we get a young franchise player in return.
