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Can Senator Dianne Feinstein go away?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by fchowd0311, Mar 13, 2021.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pu...ecord_id=0763FFE7-8E3F-4F57-B1C7-E09E161C83D7

    Why? Why freak out millions of Americans who were getting on board on the economic packages the democrats pushed such as the Covid relief bill that is popular amongst even Republican voters?

    Feinstien is the embodiment of everything wrong with the modern politician from insider trading to being out of touch with reality at her age.
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    I have no problem with banning assault weapons. This quote from the article makes me want a ban even more.

    "To be clear, this bill saves lives. When it was in place from 1994-2004, gun massacres declined by 37 percent compared with the decade before. After the ban expired, the number of massacres rose by 183 percent. We’re now seeing a rise in domestic terrorism, and military-style assault weapons are increasingly becoming the guns of choice for these dangerous groups."
     
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    There just isn't that many "gun massacres" involving "AR style weapons". So it's from a small number to a slightly larger small number.

    "Mass shootings" are different and involve mostly gang war violence of multiple victims, most of the times hand guns and only a couple of fatalities.

    Banning "assault weapons" isn't going to drop the murder rate in this country by any discernible amount outside the chance of extremely angry citizens violently lashing back.

    This isn't something Democrats need to concentrate on. It's a losing issue and will motivate the single issue voter to come out and vote in stronger numbers.

    And did I mention I don't like Dianne Feinstien?

    You want to solve gun violence in this country? Close the wealth gap. But for people like Feinstien, this is a easy route that doesn't take effort on her part and she can deflect from actual pressing issues while voting for mass surveillance, more wars and get wealthy off insider trading.
     
  4. Nook

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    She needs to retire. She is a part of the problem and I don’t think she is in touch with Americans. She is 88 years old, has a husband with substantial questionable financial dealing with China and has a net worth of one billion dollars. Feinstein herself is supposedly worth 70 million... with no explanation how she got that...
     
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    It’s bad timing and we’re in the middle of a pandemic. The Democrats have just passed substantial legislation for the average person. Why give the GOP talking points and distract away from what you’ve just accomplished?
     
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    You can tell how broken our political system is ny how Feinstien's public perception ranges from "not liked" to "hated" and still routinely gets re-elected.
     
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    @B-Bob hates old people solely because of her :D
     
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    I can't think of one good reason anybody should be free to carry assault weapons, period. Leave them to the military.
     
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    Can you define what "assault weapon" means to you?
     
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    She’s a fossil of DC in the era of nothing getting done and weak deference to right wing abusive behavior that she and the other fossils allowed to trance all over them. Just an incredibly weak Democrat and just loves being a Senator to be a Senator for some weird reason.

    You are representing California of all places too. The fact that she has never seriously been primaried is a damn disgrace. I’d prefer her to a Ted Cruz or Ron Johnson nutcase any day but when you literally embody a “do nothing” Democrat, you are probably more damaging to the overall brand of the party than one would be if they lost swinging to a demagogue Republican. See Stacy Abrams.

    Now after passing the Covid bill, forcing THIS fight is just weird and if she’s able to force this in and stifle all the other much more important bills in the process she’ll be the Republican parties number one advocate for taking the house and senate back in 22.
     
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    Never underestimate the Democratic Party's ability to squander momentum and goodwill.
     
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    I agree Feinstein should go and let someone younger take her place but not just because of the assault weapons ban. I think how that ban is written is problematic as it was more focused on look than function further there are so many "Assault weapons" out there that any outright ban still means there are many in circulation.

    For Feinstein at her age and with her background it is time to bow out gracefully and let someone else take up the job. That also goes Chuck Grassley and several other members of Congress of both parties.
     
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    We need term limits.
     
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    I agree that the timing is terrible, but disagree that DiFi is why I "hate old people." LOL :D Close though.

    One interesting wrinkle to remember for her: Her life and career changed after the shooting of Mayor Moscone and Council member Harvey Milk some forty years ago. She gave, I believe, the first press statement in the wake of that shooting.

    [​IMG]

    And not to be mean... but... she looked pretty old 40 years ago.
     
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    I agree she needs to retire and move on for other reasons, but isn't this exactly what progressives want from their leaders? What am I missing here. The progressively left complains all the time about how establishment Dems are weak and don't fight for their beliefs and don't try to accomplish anything and compromise too much and all that stuff. She's seems to be doing exactly what progressives always ask for - fight for what's right, governing and consequences be damned.

    Banning assault weapons is a key part of the Dem platform. You'll notice her bill is co-sponsored by Bernie and Warren, Sherrod Brown and other progressive champions. It's basically co-sponsored by a third of the Senate. I'm not sure why Feinstein is to blame in particular, here.

    From Bernie's campaign:

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/

    When we are in the White House, we will move aggressively to end the epidemic of gun violence in this country and pass the common sense gun safety legislation that the overwhelming majority of Americans want.

    Key Points
    • Take on the NRA and its corrupting effect on Washington.
    • Expand background checks.
    • End the gun show loophole. All gun purchases should be subject to the same background check standards.
    • Ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons. Assault weapons are designed and sold as tools of war. There is absolutely no reason why these firearms should be sold to civilians.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    For progressives, gun control is never a top priority and is only adopted to fit into the democrat party. Hence why Bernie has been criticized by more moderate democrats for being light on gun control before. It's not his pet project and is something he wouldn't mind dropping if the democrat moderate camp didn't hound him for it.

    For proggressives, it's always economics first.
     
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    Yeah there is no way Feinstein spearheaded this and it's incredibly dishonest to try and pin this on her when all of the progressive "heroes" has co signed the bill.

    So now its a problem for dems to push unpopular stuff when they have been dying on the alter of M4A.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    She literally spearheads an assault weapons ban bill every new term since 1994. It's her pet thing she always does.

    M4A is far more popular than a assaults weapon ban.
     
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    Bernie and Warren are cosigners of the bill.

    And this is the 1st thing you see from AOC's website.

    https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/issues/gun-control

    Representative Ocasio-Cortez supports common-sense gun reform with the goal of eliminating gun violence and saving lives. That is why she has consistently called for a federal ban on assault weapons, high capacity magazines, and bump stocks.

    So please tell us again how it's not a progressive priority?
     
  20. Major

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    That's true for Bernie, but the rest of the progressive movement have been pushing gun control for a long time - it is the moderates that didn't want to touch it. The progressive movement is not just about economics - parts of it like health care and minimum wage are. But climate change was an offshoot of environmental progressivism which was about saving the planet for it's own sake. It only recently morphed into the Green New Deal to be more appealing under the cover of a jobs creation effort. Racial justice progressivism - from police reform to voting rights - is not about economics. Progressivism is a wide band of issues that go way past economic issues into human rights, environmental activism, and more.
     
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