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Breaking: Trump's Wall

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Dec 18, 2018.

  1. Rashmon

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    Some data from the Center for Migration Studies...

    Since 2007 Visa Overstays have Outnumbered Undocumented Border Crossers by a Half Million

    Major findings include the following:
    • In 2014, about 4.5 million US residents, or 42 percent of the total undocumented population, were overstays.
    • Overstays accounted for about two-thirds (66 percent) of those who arrived (i.e., joined the undocumented population) in 2014.
    • Overstays have exceeded EWIs every year since 2007, and 600,000 more overstays than EWIs have arrived since 2007.
    • Mexico is the leading country for both overstays and EWIs; about one-third of undocumented arrivals from Mexico in 2014 were overstays.
    • California has the largest number of overstays (890,000), followed by New York (520,000), Texas (475,000), and Florida (435,000).
    • Two states had 47 percent of the 6.4 million EWIs in 2014: California (1.7 million) and Texas (1.3 million).
    • The percentage of overstays varies widely by state: more than two-thirds of the undocumented who live in Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania are overstays. By contrast, the undocumented population in Kansas, Arkansas, and New Mexico consists of fewer than 25 percent overstays.
     
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    The murder rate in El Paso is 2.9 per 100,000.
     
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    Indianapolis has 17.12 per 100,000. Going to have to be an awfully long or thick wall...
     
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    I hear the price of tea in China is at a 20 year high.

    I also hear that not al herrings are red, but they are on the rise ... and perhaps heading to a border near you.
     
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    Why do you care so much about letting in illegal immigrants?
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    Perhaps we're worried about how trump will run his hotels and golf resorts without hiring illegal immigrants? The extra costs he would pass on to American taxpayers might add to the deficit...
     
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    A constant reminder... trump lies about anything...

     
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  8. NewRoxFan

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    LOL... yup, even in my industry we are taught not to report unrealistic levels of accuracy...

     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Just a reminder. Even the Great Wall couldn't prevent the Ming Dynasty from falling to the Manchus.
     
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    Not a perfect metaphor. Scale isnt remotely the same and we aren't remotely as poor as Albania.

    But the xenophobia, and positive feedback loop of paranoia are reminiscent.
     
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    At first read, I thought you were talking about Alabama, then I started the video.
     
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    thats a very bigly argument for gladly keeping the govt shut down for the beautiful wall to be paid by mexico

    oh wait...
     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    As I understand it, the Ming Dynasty was destroyed from within by internal division. The Jerchen only later benefited from this disorder.

    By the way, that would seem to indicate the wall was successful for at least a few hundred years or perhaps for several hundred years spanning a 1,000+ year timeline.

    Besides, even if it was ineffective, why should Chinese inadequacies and shortcomings stop the United States?

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    because as you said walls are "ineffective" and has "inadequacies and shortcomings"
     
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    This is a pretty legit question.

    In seriousness, I guess Americans will fill the positions. Legal ones. And maybe he will have to raise how much he pays them or ask Mexico to help foot the cost of labor.
     
  17. vlaurelio

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    LOL are there illegal American citizens?
     
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    Shi Huang Di's wall took upwards of 10,000 lives to build and the cost and bloodiness of the that wall was partly why the Qin dynasty fell so quickly. As noted the Great wall isn't a single wall but a collection of walls. Even the Qin wall was built connecting other walls. The reason why is that the cost was so prohibitive to build single massive walls so most dynasties or in much of Chinese history small kingdoms couldn't afford to build great walls. While the Ming Dynasty was riven by dissension it still shows that the wall failed it's primary purpose. Further if you want historical proof of the success of the Great Wall that I'm 1/8th Mongolian shows how effective it was historically in keeping barbarians out.
     
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    So twice in its 1,000+ year history it failed (due largely to internal division). Sounds to me like it worked.
     
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