Breaking News: Last U.S. combat convoy has left Iraq

http://framework.latimes.com/2010/08/18/last-combat-brigade-leaves-iraq/#/9

You finally get out of the **** and they send you to Kuwait. ridunkulous.

 

And who believe you should cut taxes for the wealthy during two wars because, hey, you just can. Those people can go **** themselves.

(why does anyone quote basso?)

 

are you including Reagan, who raised taxes twirce, and "Read my Lips" Bush Sr, who did it once

 

Why would I include them? In comparison to Shrub, they were very effective Presidents and fiscally responsible. G. W. Bush was and is an idiot, who "walked away" from the just war he successfully prosecuted in response to 9/11, in order to invade and occupy a country that was not a clear and present danger to the United States, Iraq, thereby insuring the on-going disaster now unfolding in Afghanistan. He is the worst President in my memory, which goes back to Eisenhower.

 

apparently, you weren't listening throughout 2002 and the spring of 2003 (the 18 month "rush" to war.) W never said, nor did anyone else, that Iraq was a "clear and present," nor an "imminent" danger to the US. in fact, the war was waged to prevent them becoming such.

in war, straw men are always the first casualty.

 

Bull ****. You are saw full of it that you must spend all your time on the toilet. Why I ever click on some of your posts is a mystery to me.

 

link? evidence?

 

Gee, am I supposed to feel safer now... ?

 

Reagan was, most definitely; not sure about Shrub Sr.

i could not have said any better

you don't have to convince me.

 

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b24970.html

You really are so full of $h!t.

 

game, set, and match.

[rquoter]Twelve years ago, Saddam Hussein faced the prospect of being the last casualty in a war he had started and lost. To spare himself, he agreed to disarm of all weapons of mass destruction.

For the next 12 years, he systematically violated that agreement. He pursued chemical, biological and nuclear weapons even while inspectors were in his country.

Nothing to date has restrained him from his pursuit of these weapons: not economic sanctions, not isolation from the civilized world, not even cruise missile strikes on his military facilities.

Almost three months ago, the United Nations Security Council gave Saddam Hussein his final chance to disarm. He has shown instead utter contempt for the United Nations and for the opinion of the world.

The 108 U.N. inspectors were sent to conduct -- were not sent to conduct a scavenger hunt for hidden materials across a country the size of California. The job of the inspectors is to verify that Iraq's regime is disarming.

It is up to Iraq to show exactly where it is hiding its banned weapons, lay those weapons out for the world to see and destroy them as directed. Nothing like this has happened.

The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons materials sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax; enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn't accounted for that material. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin; enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure. He hasn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them, despite Iraq's recent declaration denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce germ warfare agents and can be moved from place to a place to evade inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb.

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.

Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.

The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary, he is deceiving.

From intelligence sources, we know, for instance, that thousands of Iraqi security personnel are at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors, sanitizing inspection sites and monitoring the inspectors themselves.

Iraqi officials accompany the inspectors in order to intimidate witnesses. Iraq is blocking U-2 surveillance flights requested by the United Nations.

Iraqi intelligence officers are posing as the scientists inspectors are supposed to interview. Real scientists have been coached by Iraqi officials on what to say.

Intelligence sources indicate that Saddam Hussein has ordered that scientists who cooperate with U.N. inspectors in disarming Iraq will be killed, along with their families.

Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why?

The only possible explanation, the only possible use he could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate or attack.

With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region.

And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained.

Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.

We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes.

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?

If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.

The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or disfigured.

Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained: by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape.

If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning.

And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country, your enemy is ruling your country.

And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation.

The world has waited 12 years for Iraq to disarm. America will not accept a serious and mounting threat to our country and our friends and our allies.

The United States will ask the U.N. Security Council to convene on February the 5th to consider the facts of Iraq's ongoing defiance of the world. Secretary of State Powell will present information and intelligence about Iraqi's -- Iraq's illegal weapons programs, its attempts to hide those weapons from inspectors and its links to terrorist groups.

We will consult, but let there be no misunderstanding: If Saddam Hussein does not fully disarm for the safety of our people, and for the peace of the world, we will lead a coalition to disarm him.[/rquoter]

 

Nothing in your "response" refutes anything I posted. You said:

I posted pages of evidence, straight from the mouths of Bush and his staff/cronies, that showed otherwise.

You are a liar. You have always been a liar. I'm sure you'll continue to be a liar. There is no "game, set, and match" here. There's just your sad, pathetic attempts to distort fact in order to further your own personal agenda.

Which brings me back to: you really are so full of $h!t.

 

you posted pages on out of context quotes, many taken from after the war began. you ignored Bush's own statement to the country and the world, 2 months before the invasion, given in its full context.

i think we know who is full of something, and what that something is.

 

So every single one of those quotes is "out of context"? Heck, one of them was a direct answer to a question (Ari Fleischer saying Iraq was "absolutely" and "imminent threat").

Distortion #1. You FAIL.

The article in question includes 31 quotes. More than half (16) were made BEFORE the State of the Union you linked as some sort of proof.

Distortion #2. You FAIL.

Nothing was "ignored". Your one statement is offset by 31 statements made before and after the SOU speech. The preponderance of evidence shows that you were lying when you said that W and his cronies never said such a thing.

Distortion #3. You FAIL.

Yup. The score for distortions is:

basso - 3
BetterThanI - 0

Which again brings me back to: you really are so full of $h!t.