Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years

Wow. I am salivating like a pavlovian dog at our debate in a month.

You literally have become the Glenn Beck/Ann Coulter/etc. on this board.

It will be fun humiliating you.

Quite frankly, you need it.

 

I think I am pretty down the middle. I am conservative on some things and liberal on others.

I will admit that I am more liberal than I had previously thought.

 

Fatty, I'm sorry to be so mean to you but you are seriously the worst debater on this board. Your arguments aren't just bad; they don't make any sense. At all. Ever. What makes you think you're going to magically become good at it in person?

As for the "debate," you probably will win on points since I won't be able to stop LMAOing.

 

At which point do you draw the line between someone who's "liberal" or "conservative"? I admit I do have some liberal beliefs but I also side with conservatives on other issues. Personally, I think if you're too much of one or the other, then there's something wrong with you.

 

I think reasonable people can disagree on all sorts of things. Sweet Lou listed several issues on which he agrees with conservatives and disagrees with liberals. But I still think he's a liberal at heart. It goes to ideology.

I think liberals basically believe that the government has a place in helping everyone and ensuring that everyone is treated equally and fairly. I think conservatives basically believe that none of that is government's place and, where government is concerned at least, their idea of fairness is everyone being left to their own devices, to rise or fall according to their abilities.

By that basic ideological standard, though they might agree with conservatives on certain methods or tactics, I think most Americans are liberals at heart. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that, by that standard, Sweet Lou and Refman are too.

 

I disagree with you here.

A liberal believes the gov't is the best means to ensure that everyone's best interest is taken care of and a conservative thinks it's the freedom and individuals to best protect that.


I don't think the gov't should try to make everyone equal which is what a lot of liberals see as correct. What i seek is the gov't TREAT everyone equally (which is why Afirmative action is wrong). This is why conservatives are against welfare...because it's not treating everyone equally - it's trying to make everyone equal.

At heart, I think the gov't should live up to the vision of the founding fathers - which is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And to me that means, everyone has an opportunity. Nothing more.

I don't like welfare as it exists for instance. Because I still see it as a handout. I am all for someone raising their hand and saying, "Hey, i need some help because i have a family and no job". The gov't can play a role by saying, ok, we're going to help you out, and offer you job training in a choice of 5 areas where there is a demand for jobs. While you receive that training, you'll receive aid part of which will be loans which you will need to repay once you have enough income. That's opportunity. That's what I believe in. That's not liberal, and it's not conservative. It borrows from both philosophies. That's why I am a moderate!

 

Some people just don't know how to take a compliment.

 

you're political "smack" is almost as pathetic as your middle-aged alcohol-induced internet meltdowns... seriously, get over yourself. i'm sure (not really) you're a cool guy in real life and all, but here on the bbs you don't exactly exude the intelligence or mental fortitude that merits talking **** prior to a political debate. but i suppose what you lack in well-versed political opine you make up for with sheer arrogance.

and just to let it be known, i'm not a huge BJ fan (meaning Batman Jones... totally cool with the other) as i often find his liberal rantings condescending and occasionally obnoxious, but at least i rarely question his intelligence. hell, i'm not even sure (nor do i care) what this debate is over... i just know that anyone with a D&D resume like yours sure as hell hasn't earned the inflated sense of worth that you clearly possess.

carry on.

 

I have liberal values, but they're less liberal than European values.

Part of our country's success is taking risks and encouraging innovation. The employment market can be barbaric compared to Europe's standards, but it also increases mobility and personal choice. It also allows people to reinvent themselves with second chances.

While I can agree to European values pertaining to the environment, food quality, and health care, I do admit their execution can be too paternalistic. Part of it is an inherent distrust with the government. I'd rather everyone agree on their own accord to reinvest on those fronts, but that appears to be asking too much.

Right now, I just can't trust focused interests more. I do admit that there's a libertarian inside me screaming that the government is at the root of "it". But after 8 years of deliberate government neglect, I'm solidly convinced it's ideological quackery that can't be realistically put into practice.

 

Not surprising to me but probably surprising to you is that I pretty much agree with this notion... depending upon how you are using the labels Liberal and Conservative.

Are you using it to describe what people want in their hearts or are you using the labels to describe their ideas about solutions on how to make it happen?

Surely there are exceptions to this observation, but I think there are more instances where there is tight overlap... but leave it to Batman to claim a Liberal victory....

 

How is that working in Afghanastan and Somalia? History is full of examples of what happens when you leave groups of people to their own devices. Eventually, evil fosters and the entire population suffers.

The civilized world as we know it today ...ALL ...without exception, has come about because of the role of government. In fact, western civilization was born in Greece which just happened to invent democracy.

 

has a date been set for the showdown?