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Autonomous Killer Robots are Here

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  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
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    What could go wrong?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/future-tech-autonomous-killer-robots-are-already-here-n105656

    U.N. officials, scientists and activists have gathered this week to debate a not-so-distant tomorrow filled with autonomous robot warriors -- but machines that can kill without human guidance are already here.

    In fact, they are already being tested by militaries across the world.

    This week's talks in Geneva are the beginning of a debate over whether autonomous lethal systems will eventually be banned under the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW).

    Some of the robots are just prototypes. Others, like sentry robots installed by South Korea and Israel, have the ability to kill autonomously but don't. As the technology gets more advanced, some officials are worried that stories about "Terminator"-style robots might slow the adoption of machines that could save the lives of their soldiers.

    It's not just governments that are interested in the technology that's developed in the pursuit of warrior robots. In December, Google bought Boston Dynamics, a company famous for building an array of frighteningly realistic robots for the research arm of the Department of Defense.

    'Fire and forget'

    The Demilitarized Zone along South Korea's border is lined with mechanized sentinels. Each stationery robot looks kind of like a menacing security camera, but with the ability to lock its built-in machine gun onto a human target and shoot to kill.

    The SGR-A1 robots, developed jointly by Samsung Techwin and Korea University, can automatically detect North Korean soldiers walking over the border and could technically fire without the help of a human.

    That is not how they work in practice. Instead, once the SGR-A1 detects something, it alerts an operator who can then decide to pull the trigger. Why the middleman?

    “They got a lot of bad press about having autonomous killer robots on their border,” Peter Asaro, the co-founder of the International Committee for Robot Arms Control, told NBC News from Geneva.

    The SGR-A1 is not even that advanced by today's standards, Asaro said, comparing its sensors to the ones used by Microsoft's Kinect.

    Other, more advanced robots are being tested right now. The U.S. Navy has successfully launched Northrop Grumman’s X-47B, a stealth drone the size of a fighter jet, from its aircraft carriers. In the U.K., Taranis, a top-secret unmanned aircraft named after the Celtic god of thunder, can travel at supersonic speeds and could be used by the British military to carry out pre-programmed attacks. (BAE Systems said the aircraft is meant to be used under the "control of a human operator").

    The Harpy, described by Israel Aerospace Industries as a “fire and forget” weapon, is essentially a powerful missile with a brain, programmed to cruise until it detects emissions from a hostile radar system.

    Current international law regulates all of these machines like they would any deadly weapon. It's only recently, however, that anybody had to worry about robots killing without a person making the order.

    Deciding the future

    When it comes to lethal autonomous systems, proponents argue that they could one day save lives, precisely targeting only opposing soldiers and machines while leaving civilians safe from harm.

    "Too often, the phrase 'autonomous lethal system' appears still to evoke images of a humanoid machine," U.S. diplomat Stephen Townley said in the U.S. delegation's opening statement.

    That "Terminator" imagery is "a far cry from what we should be focusing on," he said, adding that the "United States intends to discuss the risks of autonomy, as well as possible benefits, and means of analyzing those risks, over the coming days."

    Nothing formal rules will be announced when the talks end on Friday. But while politicians and academics debate whether autonomous killer machines should be used on the battlefield, defense companies are charging ahead at full speed, Asaro said.

    "This discussion is certainly not slowing down development," he said. "It’s definitely changing the PR around the development, but if you go to any arms conventions, drones and autonomous weapons are the hot topic."

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    And so it begins
     
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    I like how they say killer robots will save lives. It would save certain lives, making the taking of other lives much easier. I think being able to fight without putting your soldiers in harm's way (robots, drones, ICBMs) is going to make aggression too enticing.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    I fear the same
    With the 'loss of life' . . . taken out of the equation
    then it is more purely financial decision

    Rocket River
     
  6. justtxyank

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    You should take heart, both of you. The robots will be more expensive than a human life and thus the cost of war to politicians will be greater.
     
  7. LosPollosHermanos

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    bow down to our new robot overlords!!!
     
  8. CrazyDave

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    I saw a sticker of that on a car yesterday. What is it?
     
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    that is until they enter mass production

    a prototype maybe a million bucks
    but once the assembly line starts rolling . . ..
    they like the cost of Ford Focuses

    Rocket River
     
  11. justtxyank

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    The military is more cautious with their planes than they are with a soldier's life.
     
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    I wanted to inject race into this, but it's more about the well off vs. the poor.

    In an ideal state, we'd play war games in simulation and agree in principle to the winner goes the spoils. But stakes have to be real, so to demonstrate the awesomeness and intimidation of these war machines, it'll be some third world nation to serve as a proxy for others.
     
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    They are Daleks, Dr. Who's greatest enemy!

    All they said was: EXTEMINATE! EXTERMINATE!...and then you were exterminated!...;)
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  14. justtxyank

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    ...lol
     
  15. Dubious

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    human beings are just an evolutionary stepping stone
    sentient self-replicating machines are the future
     
  16. Invisible Fan

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    South Korea would totally pwn
     
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    One day, all minimum wage jobs will be replaced by robots. Weird thing will happen, minimum wage increase protesters will still be human :confused:
     
  18. RedRedemption

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    Playing Starcraft with machines. We're done for. Those starcraft pro gamers are their next generals.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    A Dalek, one of Dr. Who's enemies.
     
  20. JuanValdez

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    Fourier already came up with this ides 200 years ago, except with cooking competitions instead of war simulations.
     

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