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Are you more Liberal or more Conservative

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Jump Ship, Mar 24, 2019.

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My ideas are

  1. 100% Liberal

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  2. 100% Conservative

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  3. More Liberal

    21 vote(s)
    61.8%
  4. More Conservative

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    29.4%
  1. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    What do you mean? One can talk about and draw conclusions from statistical facts concerning populations in a society. That's what the social sciences are all about.
     
  2. Tomstro

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    No I mean you don’t have stats. You are just babbling old ass talking points. There is no research here. Sorry for your sister, sincerely.
     
  3. durvasa

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    I didn’t make that post. But you are denying the validity of studies like the following?

    https://www.marketplace.org/2021/08...s-still-happening-at-the-earliest-stages/amp/

    These effects can be overstated, but they are real. The above study estimates a 10% penalty associated with having a non-white name overall. But that doesn’t mean it happens with all hiring companies.
     
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  4. dmoneybangbang

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    I will say based on my experience with my white family that lives in rural east Texas and south Louisiana, there’s a distinctive entitlement belief. There are definitely varying degrees of white Christian nationalists among my family, but most have the belief the US was meant for them from a religious perspective.

    Both my parents remember Jim Crow from their childhood.
     
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  5. rocketsjudoka

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    The debate here ties back to something discussed in another thread. Many rural regions in this country are suffering and the mostly white and poor populations there do have legitimate grievances. For decades rural areas have been wiped out as giant agribusiness replaces family farms. At the same time opioid and meth crisis have largely hit those populations. Younger generations are continuing to abandon rural areas leading to more dissolution of the families and cultures that made up those communities.

    I’ve often felt that the problems with largely rural poor and white communities have been ignored or downplayed by liberals. Because of that people in these communities have embraced a more reactionary and grievance driven politics. They feel that they are not only being ignored but disrespected to the extent that they see concerns about things like diversity as the cause of their problems and a betrayal to them as Americans.

    On top of that they see many immigrants moving into their communities taking up jobs that were once dominated by people like themselves as proof that they are under threat and even being replaced.

    The causes of this situation though aren’t because they are white but it’s easier to focus your grievance on the idea that black and brown immigrants are replacing you rather than consider the economic conditions that led to the decline of family farms.
     
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    I agree a lot with this.

    In my opinion, it could be changed. It would require liberals and Democrats to bring the issues of these communities to the forefront and get legislation that helps them with many of the issues they have.

    That's difficult because there is such a mistrust that exist there, but that could be overcome.

    What's even more difficult would be pushing issues other communities have to the background. Somehow they'd have to have a delicate balance. It isn't impossible because many will be helped by the same policies(school funding, Healthcare, etc.)

    If someone could pull it off, that would be a huge power shift. But it has to be done without sacrificing one voting base from party for another.

    Other things that work against it are issues such as getting any legislation passed, media portrayals, being able to show many groups that you're working for them even when they haven't traditionally been politically aligned with one another.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I've heard more than a few white young people complain that they couldn't get a job in the restaurant industry anymore because all the jobs were going to "illegal immigrants"

    The problem with your statement here is that the reason they are largely ignored or downplayed by liberals is because liberals aren't in power in those area. They all vote Republican by a wide margin and they often vote against their own self-interests. When they want less gov't in their lives, they don't realize it means less money to them because they are lead to believe it's other people who are freeloading on the system. Ironically they get a disproportionate amount of tax dollars sent their way because of the way budgets get skewed, it's just that their own elected officials are swindling them.
     
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  8. Invisible Fan

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    I don't think it's always a deliberate swindle. Many are likely incompetent given the real challenges of growing and maintaining these small communities. Someone posted Liz Cheney's Montana debate where she let the yokels there choke on their own spit.

    Most assume kissing ass to the local corporate benefactor is the only skill needed.

    It's just a lot harder to cover services and infrastructure for rural areas, let alone maintain them over 30+ years. Roads and pipes start breaking down, and there isn't proper funding to cover it.

    That's where the Federal government steps in and backstops the shortages.

    A good example how politics doesn't reflect reality is the debate over Postal Service. Con media wants to rip it down for whatever reasons when a big amount of savings could be to just close offices down in rural areas like an efficient corporation. Whereas one office can serve 20 thousand in a city over a 10 mile radus, the country office serves 2 thousand over the same distance. It's not considered an "entitlement" to keep an office or hospital with similar area coverages as it's a matter of Survival.

    In a true Libertarian utopia, those prideful ****ers better huddle close or Market Effects will shut them out.

    So politicians use the country folk attitude of "don't tell me what to do, I'm here for a reason" even though they need Big G's money to prop their needy butts up.

    I don't know...It's not a partisan mindset and more a human one.

    It's just like when people live near flood or hurricane zones that need to be bailed out every 3 or 4 years. Funny how we can take that for granted while expecting others to pay their "fair share".
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That's the irony right? Liberals defend entities that benefit poor rural whites. They are pro support for addiction treatment, for health care and entities like the post service and national internet access, yet these rural white voters complain they are forgotten by libs, even though they care 0 for what's going on in black neighborhoods and want to blame those struggles on blacks inability to lift themselves up by the bootstraps.

    The whole libs don't care about rural whites is bs @rocketsjudoka, they may dismiss their viewpoints or mock them, but the idea that their needs are dismissed is not true.
     
  10. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    7 stones of one, bakers dozen of the other.
     

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