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Are we sure Tyrod Taylor isn't the best (potential) option?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

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    We can debate where on the QB hierarchy Tyrod Taylor should be slotted - but calling him a "castoff" or, worse, "failed" and then comparing his accomplishments to literally no accomplishments - via Manziel - undermines your credibility.

    I posted this earlier in the thread but here are Taylor's stats through his first 29 NFL starts against Russell Wilson's first 32 NFL starts:
    TT. 511/816 (63%); 6,058 (7.4 YPA); 37/12; 94.2 (+ 1,148 rushing yards; 10 TDs); ages 26-27
    RW. 509/800 (64%); 6,475 (8.1 YPA); 52/19; 100.6 (+ 1,028 rushing yards; 5 TDs); ages 24-25

    Again, no issue if you don't think what Taylor has accomplished is particularly impressive and/or sustainable... but to dismiss it, and him, outright shows an incredible amount of ignorance.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Perhaps you should stick to baseball where there is no salary cap because you seem confused about how things work in a league with a hard cap. When you bring in a QB, you are using money that could have gone to other areas. Even if Tyrod Taylor ended up being a slightly better option than Osweiler or Savage.....which isn't a guarantee at all, you have to factor in what you gave up to have him there to be maybe the 25th "best" QB in the NFL instead of sticking with a situation where you might have the 27th "best" QB in the NFL.

    Maybe that kind of an idea would make sense in baseball without a hard cap, but in football that kind of an idea is pants on head r****ded. If you aren't going to bring in someone with a real upside like a Tony Romo (if by some miracle he stays healthy) then you shouldn't waste the cap space. If they are stuck for another season with Osweiler and Savage while a guy who they draft learns the system, so be it. That scenario is infinitely preferable to one where you pick up another terrible QB that you'll have to run the clock out on.

    Sorry if you can't see that, but it really really really should be obvious.
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    If Taylor is released, he's a free agent and, like Romo, can negotiate a contract that, if needed, can be favorably constructed toward the team he wants to play for.

    This is simple and basic and not terribly difficult to comprehend. Or, at least, it should be.
     
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    The only favorable deal for a QB as bad as Taylor would be a league minimum contract. He'd likely want at least 8 mil a year and he's simply not worth that much given that you still have 19 mil on top of that sunk into the QB spot right now and the fact that he's still awful at playing QB so it's not like he's any kind of solution at the position. It would be wasting cap space just to waste cap space.

    It really is crazy that you are still trying to argue for this. I expect this kind of thing from the dregs like Mr. Clutch, but usually you are better than this. I dunno what the problem is, but I hope it gets fixed.
     
  5. Hey Now!

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    What he's actually going to want is the $30.75MM he would have been guaranteed had the Bills kept him. How the Texans choose to allocate that annually is of no concern to him, and that you think it would be underscores how out of your depth you are.

    If the Texans want Taylor, and Taylor wants to play for the Texans, they can get creative and limit his first year cap hit to accommodate Osweiler's money.
     
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    And that's even more foolish. So now you aren't just advocating using him as a one year band-aid as a potential ever so slight upgrade over Osweiler or Savage, you are talking about locking down yet another absolutely garbage QB long term.....

    Seriously man, you've completely lost your mind.
     
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    LOL at the bullet points listing Osweiler as worse

    Offer him a cheap contract, see if he bites
     
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    Ignorant? OK, let's talk about ignorance. Ignorance is stumbling and bumbling along for YEARS with stop gap QBs while passing up looking at legitimate QB propects in the draft. Even the Cowboys who, under Jerry J, have been one of the most clueless of teams managed to find a QB in the 4th round of last year's draft while the Texans went MIA again. Ignorance is backing yourself into a corner by giving a clueless bust $37M guaranteed and then believing that you can (somehow) wave a magic wand and somehow escape the consequences of that ignorance. Ignorance is even daring to suggest that Tyrod Taylor is somehow in the same class as Russell Wilson simply because his numbers during his first 29 starts look good vis-a-vis Russell's. Well whoop de ****ing do! Exactly what has he done since then? Wilson has a Super Bowl ring while Taylor is out on the street because he was unable to succeed in the simplistic tinker-toy offense that was being run at Buffalo. And yet, you actually want to argue that he could come in here and run the complicated scheme that BoB has mandated. Now that reeks of ignorance in my book because if Taylor was any good, they wouldn't be showing him the door up in Buffalo (which leaves them with EJ Manuel) because they are as desperate for a QB as are the dimwits running the Texans. So if you want to suggest doing something truly ignorant, then don't just half-step, go all the way and bring in Manziel. I hear he's been off the bottle for at least the past two weeks now and he's tanned, rested and ready.
     
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    What? After reading all that and how he is barely a step ahead of Osweiler you want him here? He did nothing with basically the same team/playing method as us. Save that money and put it towards other needs then draft. Hell Savage can beat that.

    I would rather give Romo more money than bring Taylor.
     
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  12. Mr. Clutch

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    I think he's several steps ahead of Osweiler, and if you can get him at a bargain, then it's worth it.

    And by cheap I mean really cheap. Not Osweiler cheap.
     
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    Bills fan here and what the numbers don't show are two things:

    1) Unlike Russell Tyrod cannot make all the throws on the field. This will limit what the offense can do and once teams key into what they have to defend it becomes increasingly more difficult for Tyrod to make an impact in the game.

    2) Related to the 1st, but the low INT numbers come from his reluctance/inability to make all the throws and needing a guy to be wide open before delivering the pass.

    Bottom line: Tyrod is a little bit above average but no where near good enough to lead a team to the playoffs that isn't stacked around him. A frustrating player because the worst thing to be in the NFL team is average because your not good enough to compete for a title but not bad enough to get a high pick and a chance to get that difference maker needed to turn the team around. When we first got Tyrod and saw some of the early success my mind went right to Russell, but over time he proved himself to be far from that good.
     
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    All we needed last year was average
     
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    FAKE NEWS! Tyrod Taylor is trash and the Bills don't want him.
     
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    Tyrod Taylor is still trash, one day you'll realize that.
     
  19. Mr.Scarface

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    We are SURE he is not an option. Close thread.:rolleyes:
     
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