[AP] Supreme court upholds ban on partial birth abortion

how about doctor-assisted suicide?

 

I don't think doctor assisted suicide is allowed. Am I wrong?

Abortion remains legal.

 

Once a child is born they don't need your body to live. They can be adopted by anyone and live. I didn;t say right to your friday night I said right to your own body. Can I be hooked up to you or not?

 

doctor assisted suicide is illegal

partial birth abortion is illegal

that's what i meant.

 

no you can't.

so am i right?? you'd throw out roe?? abortion at any point of the pregnancy for any reason whatsoever??? i just wanna understand your view on this.

 

My view is the same as yours. Your right to your own body trumps my right to life. If the only way I can live is for you to sacrifice your right, I believe it is within your power to say no.

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I don't get into the politics of this issue just the core of the moral argument. So frankly I could care less what the Roe decision was after I passed it in undergrad.

 

ok...so again i'll ask...abortion at ANY point of the pregancy is fine with you?

i find that people who make absolute statements about right to body over right to life...while arguing for the status quo...don't generally know what the status quo is.

 

Its seems that you cannot understand my viewpoint enough to apply it to specific situations.

 

it seems you can't answer my question. what is so difficult about the question?

 

I enjoy thinking about the core moral point. I can then use this moral basis to make a decision. You are the attacker here. You answered "wow" to my statement of my beliefs. I have explained my thought process very well.

 

Are you just trying to place me in camp a or campo b so you know to attack me or not?

 

I don't have time at the moment to go through your comments but will try to get to them later so pardon me if you've already address this.

I was thinking about this the otherday also and my opinion regarding this is similar to my opinion regarding technologies causing global warming.

As I've stated before I agree that there isn't unanimity regarding Global Warming but the consensus is tht it is happening, as a tangent most of the scientist disagreeing with global warming happen to not be experts in climate fields so its the flipside of this situation where the specialists are disagreeing with the generalists. Given that their is a consensus it is happening we should do what we can to reduce it.

In that matter I will agree with you that the partial birth abortion should be reduced and as I said would accept the bill provided an exception is left in regarding the possibility that such a procedure might be needed since there is far from unanimity on its need.

Relating this to Global Warming I think we need to reduce it and since internal combustion is the primary cause we shoudl reduce dependence on internal combustion. What I wouldn't advocate is a blanket ban on internal combustion.

In the same way I think a blanket ban on this procedure is a bad idea even if I can agree with you that this is a grotesque procedure and if possible should never be used.

 

here's my question...and i still don't understand why you won't answer it.

you said, "a right to the body trumps the right to life." -- paraphrased.

i merely asked...does that mean at any point during a pregnancy you would support a woman's right to abort a fetus?

that's it. you're not under oath. i'm not attacking. i'm curious.

 

What's so surprising about that? I agree and disagree with lots of people on different issues. I have nothing against you personally and won't oppose you on every issue just because I disagree with you on one.

That would be petty and foolish.

not saying that I'm not.

 

i don't see blanket ban on partial birth abortion as akin to blanket ban on the combustion engine.

i suppose i could see a blanket ban on abortion, in general, that way. but i think the other is a poor metaphor.

 

The courts should absolutely be deciding whether doctor assisted suicide is legal.

They should also be declaring whether abortion is legal. And determining when it's legal. At what point in the pregnancy etc. If they want to declare a point in the pregnancy past which abortion is illegal, they should go right ahead and do that. Or remove the 'health of the mom' bit, if they disagree with that.

But if the abortion is otherwise legal, they have no business criminalizing the method by which it is carried out. Restricting (or forbidding) certain practices may be the jurisdiction of the AMA. But it should not be a criminal matter, and it should not be something the courts pass judgement on.

Again, I'm struggling to find anything similar to this. Where the procedure is criminalized, but it's intent and effect is perfectly legal.

 

ahhh...i see your point now. i'm unaware of an analogy, as well.

 

Howabout comparing it to a blanket ban on diseal engines?

 

sure.

at this point i'm content to say i'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine. i support legislation banning this procedure.

 

well this sucks.

LEts switch sides and argue the other way!