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Another Day Another Uneducated Angry White Trumpanzee

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Nov 26, 2016.

  1. tmacfor35

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    You took his words and made your own version.

    That's not what he did at all.
     
  2. Amiga

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    you sound like Trump
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    Meanwhile, Steve Schmidt (former adviser to GWB and Cheney, campaign manager on many conservative GOP campaigns) targets Speaker of the House Ryan for not speaking out on Trump's offensive statements re: Charlottesville:

     
  4. tmacfor35

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    I don't classify as conservative. The only trolling going on is the extreme sensitivity you are displaying.
     
  5. Hakeemtheking

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    Tillerson giving a great speech on US race relations.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    That's exactly what he did.

    Let me guess. You are referring to his line that not all the protesters were Nazi sympathizers and many were normal good people.

    Let's apply that logic to a totally different circumstance and see if you are consistent.

    First let's agree on the facts. The original permit to protest was filed by a SELF-LABELED White Supremacist group. They are the ones who organized the protest.

    On to the hypothetical. Let's say an ISIS supporter filed for a permit to protest in a town center. His group of ISIS supporters have their permit approved and they protest. Now imagine if other people who just happen to share some common causes join in with the ISIS supporters. Would you call them ISIS sympathizers? Yes or no?

    And then let's go beyond that and assume there were 'good people' on the side of the confederate statue not being taken down. So if a group of Neo- Nazis take over your 'good protest' you don't immediately try to kick them out and instead side with them in the brawl? I mean, you might think the statue is important but I would assume that you would think your cause would immediately be lost if a bunch of Neo-Nazis joined in.
     
  7. NewRoxFan

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    Wow... the biggest news story over the past week, both here in the US and worldwide, all over a "small" and "largely irrelevant extremist group"? SMH...
     
  8. Amiga

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    probably weighting internal polling data
     
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    Wow... Mitt Romney lays it out clearly... says Trump must issue a strong, direct apology, his statements painted the entire country as racists. This is perhaps the most eloquent criticism of Trump to date.

    Mitt Romney: Trump must apologize for Charlottesville remarks
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-trump-to-act-now-to-heal-racial-divide-after
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    Perhaps... but Schmidt has been a frequent guest of MSNBC and has been a vocal critic of Trump on this.
     
  11. Amiga

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    Right. If you have a strong sense of moral, it's easy.

    But GOP politicians are scare of being wrong against Trump, even at this point. Trump base is very loyal and they have to weight that with good internal polling before making a negative statement, if any.

    Today is Friday. Internal polling data is probably now available.
     
  12. NewRoxFan

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    OK... its Friday, time for a little humor (that only Tina Fey can deliver):

     
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    BLM is not the equivelent of the Nazis. That being said, they do have one thing in common. They are both openly racist and therefore despicable in the extreme.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    Is there a way that black people can express their grievances from 400 years of systemic racism in a way that isn't racist?

    People like you have sympathy for other marginalized groups like Jews, enough that you probably support their ethnocentric Jewish state. Blacks in this country have been marginalized for 400 years and they can't express grievances or form meetings where they discuss issues amongst themselves without being vile racists almost equivalent to Nazis?

    Are Israelis racist and evil? By your logic and the logic others like bobby, that answer would be yes.
     
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    I posted it in the other thread, but it could go here too. The difference between BLM and white supremacist groups is that BLM has mainstream support as their racism is socially acceptable these days. That's why people can say things like this
    and it's no big deal. If you look into BLM types, you'll see all sorts of that kind of thing and yet people here will still defend it.....while no one here (that I know of) will defend white nationalist racist rhetoric.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    Take notes guys. We got a twitter feed. Let's ignore empirical evidence.
     
  18. Roc Paint

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    Great body suit!
     
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    Adding to the Trump magazine covers... and Trump's going global!

    [​IMG]
     
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    Here is what TIme magazine has to say about Black Lives Matter. They (Time) are hardly a Marxist organization.
    http://time.com/4413786/splc-black-lives-matter/

    Each year, the Southern Poverty Law Center, of which I am the president, compiles and publishes a census of domestic hate groups. Our list, which is cited extensively by journalists, academics and government officials alike, provides an important barometer—not the only one, of course—to help us understand the state of hate and extremism in America.

    In recent weeks, we’ve received a number of requests to name Black Lives Matter a hate group, particularly in the wake of the murders of eight police officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge. Numerous conservative commentators have joined the chorus. There is even a Change.org petition calling for the hate group label.

    In our view, these critics fundamentally misunderstand the nature of hate groups and the BLM movement.

    Generally speaking, hate groups are, by our definition, those that vilify entire groups of people based on immutable characteristics such as race or ethnicity. Federal law takes a similar approach.

    While it’s no surprise, given our country’s history, that most domestic hate groups hold white supremacist views, there are a number of black organizations on our hate group list as well.

    A prime example is the New Black Panther Party (NBPP), whose leaders are known for anti-Semitic and anti-white tirades. Its late chairman, Khalid Abdul Muhammad, famously remarked: “There are no good crackers, and if you find one, kill him before he changes.” Bobby Seale, a founding member of the original Black Panther Party, has called the NBPP a “black racist hate group.”

    We have heard nothing remotely comparable to the NBPP’s bigotry from the founders and most prominent leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement and nothing at all to suggest that the bulk of the demonstrators hold supremacist or black separatist views. Thousands of white people across America—indeed, people of all races—have marched in solidarity with African Americans during BLM marches, as is clear from the group’s website. The movement’s leaders also have condemned violence.

    There’s no doubt that some protesters who claim the mantle of Black Lives Matter have said offensive things, like the chant “pigs in a blanket, fry ‘em like bacon” that was heard at one rally. But before we condemn the entire movement for the words of a few, we should ask ourselves whether we would also condemn the entire Republican Party for the racist words of its presumptive nominee—or for the racist rhetoric of many other politicians in the party over the course of years.

    Many of its harshest critics claim that Black Lives Matter’s very name is anti-white, hence the oft-repeated rejoinder “all lives matter.” This notion misses the point entirely. Black lives matter because they have been marginalized throughout our country’s history and because white lives have always mattered more in our society. As BLM puts it, the movement stands for “the simple proposition that ‘black lives also matter.’”

    The backlash to BLM, in some ways, reflects a broad sense of unease among white people who worry about the cultural changes in the country and feel they are falling behind in a country that is rapidly growing more diverse in a globalizing world. We consistently see this phenomenon in surveys showing that large numbers of white people believe racial discrimination against them is as pervasive, or more so, than it is against African Americans.

    It’s the same dynamic that researchers at Harvard Business School described in a recent study: White people tend to see racism as a zero-sum game, meaning that gains for African Americans come at their expense. Black people see it differently. From their point of view, the rights pie can get bigger for everyone.

    Black Lives Matter is not a hate group. But the perception that it is racist illustrates the problem. Our society as a whole still does not accept that racial injustice remains pervasive. And, unfortunately, the fact that white people tend to see race as a zero-sum game may actually impede progress.
     
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