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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: The Future of the Democratic Party... enjoy

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  1. JayGoogle

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    I don't know, have you seen her debate? She's already undefeated in her political career so I have no idea what you're talking about.

    Trump can't debate. No one thinks Trump wins any debates but his hardcore cult like fanbase who are more than eager to bow before their Lord Emperor Trump.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Before you suck her dick too hard you might want to wait to see if she even wins the election. She won the primary, but Joseph Crowley is still on the ballot and could very easily defeat her in the actual election.
     
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    Yes, it could very well be many Crowley supporters did not vote in the primary thinking he had it in the bag and woke up the next morning to an 'oh crap' moment. The turnout was very low. I personally hope she wins the district come November. She will be a gift that keeps on giving.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    Thou doth protest too much.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Well same here, but there's always a chance for sanity to win the day.
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    So is Trump but his election was a bit bigger.
     
  7. JayGoogle

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    Ok? I was talking about past events, no need to get triggered by it.

    Have you seen her debate?
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    No worries, I'm not "triggered" I was just pointing out that winning a primary that had an exceptionally small turnout isn't that big of a deal, especially when the opponent is still on the ballot for the real election and has a very solid chance of winning re-election if there is even a halfway decent turnout. Even in that district an outright socialist like Ocasio-Cortez is an extremist.
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    And? You were the one citing all in 2016 that low turnout was just the voters indifference speaking.

    I remember you saying over and over again that low turnout was as good as voters supporting Trump since they didn't care enough to vote. Remember, Trump won because of low turnout...

    Since it was a primary between two Ds you actually have no idea if the people that turnout will still vote for Crowley. It could be very well that they are tired of him and still won't care to turnout.
     
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    Just curious...did Ocasio-Cortez claim that she was experienced in foreign relations because she could see Russia from Alaska?
     
  11. adoo

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    what we've just witnessed is the Russian bot Bobbi small being Ctrl-Z by JayGoogle
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    No one has, but all counted I saw her get handled by "conservative" Margaret Hoover and I saw clips of her banging on the table against a terrified looking apathetic incumbent.

    The flip side of my earlier comment about this being better than term limits is this: With term limits the Dems would have been able to put someone else in position there instead of being blindsided.

    At the end of the day you have to trust the electorate, however I wish the Dems would make their primary system more democratic and fair.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    There's a considerable difference between a presidential election and a house primary election.....No one thought there was a reason to turn out to vote, when you have an incumbent in a safe district it's usually just a formality. If Crowley decides he wants to keep his job it wouldn't be hard for him to make the young socialist look foolish to the point where he wins in a landslide with a decent turnout.

    We'll see what happens, but I think it's too early to crown her unbeatable.
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    You were aware that trump ran in 2000?
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    The time he won both primaries he qualified for?
     
  16. JayGoogle

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    I think it was better for her to admit that she didn't know than to say something and look silly saying it. She's running for congress, I doubt the people voting for her even care about her opinions on geopolitics.

    With that said, I agree that the DNC needs to make their primary system fairer.

    Eh, if this were California primaries sure, but these work in general the same way.

    The idea is the same. If you recall, in the general election of 2016, many thought Trump would lose easily. You even thought that. So it is possible then that many did not turn out to vote for Clinton because they thought she'd win regardless? Yes, in fact this seemed to be the overwhelming thought from both sides. (Referring to the idea that Trump would lose was what everyone thought.)

    Also, the main difference here is the turnout is between D and R.

    You are arguing the turnout between D and D. We have no idea if low turnout helped Ocasio. For all we know, most of those people would have voted for Ocasio. We really don't know. If her opponent had been a republican then you can argue "Well the conservatives got lazy and didn't vote." Sure. But when it is between two people on the left do you know exactly how many of those potential voters are going to vote for Ocasio or Crowley? It seems like a hard thing to gauge.

    Unbeatable is not what I said, I said she was undefeated. I think there is a pretty big difference between the two...

    If the Texans start out 4-0 it's still 4-0. Sure you can say "They haven't played anyone yet..." but you can't deny them being undefeated. But if you say they are 'Unbeatable' you imply that they will continue to be undefeated for the unforeseeable future. I don't think she's unbeatable, I do think she has a pretty good shot at winning her election.

    She won a pretty big election and no one has seen her debate so it seems kind of hard to say whether she'd be good at it or not.

    Clinton turned out to be very ehhhh at debating despite her knowledge about basically everything. I don't think anyone can deny her intelligence, but her charisma has always been lacking and she comes off as very unnatural. Obama who came out of nowhere was pretty good, he was always a good orator and very charismatic. I think Ocasio has potential to be a good debater and she did debate Crowley and won so...shrug...
     
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    Lol. And people thought Bernie had a shot.... far left won’t play well nationally.

    Trump has a bunch of dumb **** constituents who will believe anything you tell them as long you wave a tiny Americans flag while blaming foreigners. Dems don’t have that type of edge.
     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    Odd... don't remember trump winning the presidency in 2000...
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    Yea but who has the bigger crowd size?
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol. Man a lot of folks who were sympathetic to the Bernie and Clinton debate sure don’t actually like “socialism”. I am shocked.
     

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