African states ready troops as France bombs Mali rebels

I just knew you would post again, although you said you had to go. You are obsessed with your futile attempts to "upstage" me. I dominate your thoughts and control your emotions. I can see you, frantically reloading the page on the old computer in your mom's basement, desperately thinking of something presumably "clever" to say - and failing every single time.

 

On the road to serfdom, I see. Shouldn't be long before France asks for a bailout to continue the war; which will eventually move the rest of the eurozone into the war and united warmongering eurozone military force. Nationalism at its finest.

 

I wonder what mathloom's thoughts are on this issue...

 

German-Franco-Greek alliance for the preservation of Mali

commmmmbbboo breaker

 

Quote: "Kind of crazy that france is taking a lead on this."
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Response:

Could you be a little more over the top ATW?

 

I agree. Waste these madmen and rid West Africa of their insanity. Glad to see France taking care of business in their sphere of influence. Just wish they'd started sooner. Better late than never.

 

Since this is a subset of the battle in Mali putting this here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/world/africa/algeria-militants-hostages.html?_r=0

Some Hostages Killed, but Raid Rescues Many, Algeria Says

BAMAKO, Mali — Kidnappers and at least some of their hostages were killed on Thursday as Algerian forces raided a gas facility where a heavily armed group of Islamist extremists was holding dozens of captives, including Americans and other foreigners, the Algerian government announced.
In a statement on national radio, the communications minister, Mohand Saïd Oublaïd, said that many of the hostages had been freed, but he warned that the military assault was not yet complete and that some captives remained trapped inside the remote facility in the Algerian desert.

“The operation resulted in the neutralization of a large number of terrorists and the liberation of a considerable number of hostages,” Mr. Oublaïd said. “Unfortunately, we deplore also the death of some, as well as some who were wounded. We do not have final numbers.”

He also said “the operation is ongoing, given the complexity of the site, to liberate the rest of the hostages and those who are trapped inside.”

The announcement was the most detailed official information given by Algeria on the crisis. It began more than 24 hours earlier when Islamist militants seized the hostages at the internationally managed gas field in the Sahara near the Libyan border, in what they called retaliation for the French military intervention in neighboring Mali. The seizure of the gas field was one of the boldest abductions of foreign workers in recent years.

Unconfirmed news reports earlier on Thursday, quoting a statement reportedly from the hostage takers, said the Algerian military assault had left 35 hostages and 15 kidnappers dead. One Algerian government official called those numbers “exaggerated.”

The communications minister said the military assault force sent to end the siege had first sought a peaceful end.

“But confronted with the determination of the heavily armed terrorist group, our armed forces were forced to surround the site and fire warning shots,” he said. “In front of the stubborn refusal of these terrorists to heed these warnings and confronted with their evident desire to leave Algeria with the foreign hostages to then use them as a bargaining chip, an assault was launched this Thursday at the end of the morning.”

The minister’s announcement came as foreign governments, including the United States, were seeking details on the fate of their citizens trapped inside the gas-field facility. There was no sign that the Algerians had given prior notice to any of the countries whose citizens were among the hostages.

A senior American official said Pentagon aides traveling in London with Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta were struggling to get basic information about the Algerian raid, and there were unconfirmed reports that an American Predator drone was monitoring the gas-field site.

The senior official said that possibly seven to eight Americans were among the hostages — the first official indication of the number of Americans held captive — and that he did not know if any had been killed in the rescue operation.

Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain said through a spokesman that his office had not been told ahead of time, an implicit criticism of the Algerian government. “The Algerians are aware that we would have preferred to have been consulted in advance,” the spokesman said.

Japan expressed even stronger concern, saying Algeria had not only failed to advise of the operation ahead of time, but that Japan had also asked Algeria to halt the operation because it was endangering the hostages.

“We asked Algeria to put human lives first and asked Algeria to strictly refrain,” the chief Cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, quoted Prime Minister Shinzo Abe as telling his Algerian counterpart, Abdelmalek Sellal, by telephone late Thursday.

The situation is “very confused,” President François Hollande of France said at a news conference in Paris and was “evolving hour by hour.” Mr. Hollande confirmed for the first time officially that French citizens were among the captives.

The kidnapping in Algeria was a retaliation for the continuing French military assault on Islamist extremists in Mali that has escalated into a much broader conflict, now enmeshing the United States and other countries with citizens held hostage. Reuters said the survivors of the Algerian assault included hostages from the United States, Belgium, Japan and Britain. The full extent of the casualties was not immediately clear.

News agencies in Algeria and neighboring Mauritania said the helicopters may have attacked when the kidnappers sought to move their hostages from one part of the installation to another.
Even before reports of an assault began to emerge, many hostages — Algerian and foreign — were reported to have escaped as the kidnappers sought and failed to persuade Algerian authorities to give them safe passage with their captives.

The Algerian news Web site TSA, quoted a local official, Sidi Knaoui, as saying that 10 foreign hostages and 40 Algerians had escaped Thursday after the kidnappers had made several aborted efforts to flee with their captives. Mr. Knaoui said he had been scheduled to meet with the hostage takers in an attempt at negotiations. He could not be reached for confirmation.

The Irish government confirmed that an Irish citizen had escaped or been released. The man had contacted his family and was “understood to be safe and well and no longer a hostage,” Ireland’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said in a statement.

Other Algerian news reports said that 30 Algerian hostages and 15 foreigners escaped, but there was no immediate independent confirmation of that account. The Associated Press, quoting an unidentified Algerian official, said 20 foreigners, including some Americans, had escaped.

Earlier, a French television station, France 24, quoted an unidentified hostage as saying the attackers “were heavily armed and forced several hostages to wear explosives belts. They threatened to blow up the gas field if Algerian forces attempted to enter the site,” the station reported.

The Al Jazeera channel based in Qatar also quoted a hostage identified as British as saying the captives were “receiving care and good treatment from the kidnappers” but that Algerian forces surrounding the installations were “firing at the camp.”

Both stations said it was unclear whether the people they interviewed had been speaking under duress. Al Jazeera quoted a kidnapper as demanding that the Algerian Army pull back to permit negotiations to end the crisis.

Algerian officials said at least two people, including a Briton, were killed in the kidnappers’ initial assault on the gas facility, which began with an ambush on a bus trying to ferry workers to an airport. It was depicted by the attackers as reprisal for the French intervention in Mali and also to punish Algeria for allowing French warplanes to use its airspace to reach targets in northern Mali. Algeria’s official news agency said at least 20 fighters had carried out the attack and mass abduction.

The British Foreign Office confirmed that a British citizen had been killed in what Foreign Secretary William Hague called an “extremely dangerous situation.”

Hundreds of Algerian security forces surrounded the gas-field compound and the country’s interior minister said there would be no negotiations.

Many details of the assault on the gas field in a barren desert site near Libya’s border remained murky, including the precise number of hostages.

On Wednesday, Mr. Panetta called the attack a terrorist act and said the United States was weighing a response. His statement suggested that the Obama administration could be drawn into a military entanglement in North Africa that it had been seeking to keep at arm’s length — even as it has conceded that the region has become a new haven for extremists who threaten Western security and vital interests.

The attack appeared to make good on a pledge by the Islamist militants who seized northern Mali last year to sharply expand their struggle against the West in response to the French military intervention that began last week.

In a statement sent to ANI, a Mauritanian news agency, a group called Al Mulathameen, which has links to Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the North African affiliate of Al Qaeda, claimed it was holding more than 40 “crusaders” — apparently a reference to non-Muslims — “including seven Americans, two French, two British as well as other citizens of various European nationalities.”

Algeria’s interior minister, Daho Ould Kablia, said that the raid was overseen by Mokhtar Belmokhtar, an Algerian who fought Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s and has reportedly established his own group in the Sahara after falling out with other local Qaeda leaders.

Mr. Belmokhtar is known to French intelligence officials as “the Uncatchable” and to some locals as “Mister Marlboro” for his illicit cigarette-running business. His ties to Islamist extremists who seized towns across northern Mali last year are unclear, though he is thought to be based in the Malian city of Gao.

The facility at the center of the kidnapping is the fourth-largest gas development in Algeria, a major oil producer and OPEC member. The In Amenas gas compression plant is operated by BP of Britain, the Norwegian company Statoil and the Algerian national oil company Sonatrach.

 

Just heard that 3 Americans are dead and 7 rescued from the Algerian hostage situation.

 

Wait...so when France sends troops 2000 miles to Mali to "prevent the export of radical Islam to their doorstep" (to paraphrase Hollande) and to police their "sphere of influence," everyone starts to slow clap, but when Israel sends it's military a quarter mile to take out missiles being launched by Hizbollah or Hamas on the their OWN people...it's a deplorable war crime?

And for that matter...what makes intervention in Algeria the greatest mistake of post-war France, but intervention in Mali a great idea? And if Mali, why not every other Francophone country with a small French population in Africa like Coite Ivoire that's being ravaged by God's nutters?


Not that I'm a huge advocate for war in general, or that hawks like Sir Jackie aren't consistent in their advocacy, but isn't this just a bit hypocritical?


It sort of reminds me of the early Bush years post 9/11, when Bush was asking the world to help in combating terrorism and radical Islam, and Putin was there two days later to lend his moral support but was quickly shunned for suggesting that maybe the US had changed it's mind about Russian operations in Chechnya.

Statecraft is always about national interest first, no matter how it's spun.

 

Fair point, although this is just as much about protecting French assets in West Africa as it is about the "export" of radical Islam into France. That much is clear from Hollande's declaration that they will stay in Mali for "As long as it takes to ensure stability" >> which means decades, since it is unimaginable that anyone will be able to weed these guys out of the porous and highly corrupt portions of the African continent.

Also the two groups are not as comparable as we may assume - Hamas and the Malian Extremists probably only agree with each other strongly in their hate for Israel. In all other facets, Hamas is actually significantly less extreme than these guys, as sad as that may be. International support for Hamas far exceeds that of this allegedly Al Qaeda linked group, as sad as that may be.

Algeria, I think, is given special status because its extremists have far greater potential/capabilities for retaliation than the Malian extremists.

 

(Reporting by Timothy Heritage; Writing by Gabriela Baczynska; Editing by Alison Williams)

 

I support ATW arguments more or less, but I am not naive enough to think France's motives are simply idealistic "pro-democracy" blather.