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A Rule Change Needed

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Lil Pun, Jan 2, 2011.

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  1. DonkeyMagic

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    pass interference needs to be a 15 yd penalty not a spot foul
     
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    I wouldn't want every pass interference to only be 15 yards, maybe if they have degrees of pass interference, like they have for facemasks. One spot foul, the other 15 yards, depending on the distance.
     
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    Then any time a defender is beat off the sideline, they'll just grab the player and take the 15 yards to not give up a TD....
     
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    They did away with the facemask penalties of 5 yards and now only have them 15 yards.
     
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    It's the most subjective call in all of football, and I hate it.

    I would much rather see an under-reffed game with less passing than an over-reffed game where they throw all the damned time.

    I also think that the offensive players should be able to set screens to help their teammates get open.

    That would balance out things nicely and allow for some really interesting play calling.

    And while we're at it, they should change the definition of "holding" to be more clear/easily noticed in the field of play.

    I'm ok with rules that protect the players' safety (helmet hitting, chop blocking, etc), but otherwise... tone the rules down...
     
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    I totally missed that rules change... :/

    When did it happen? :confused:
     
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    I don't think that would happen. They could technically grab them now and make them miss the ball and give up an automatic first down without even giving up 15 yards or a TD but defenders don't do that because teams don't like giving away first downs for free.
     
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    That's a completely different situation. In the former, the defender has a choice between either huge gain/giving up a touchdown, or just a 15 yard penalty. I don't know how this plays out in college football, cause I hate college football, but I think it would become a problem in the NFL where players are very smart.
     
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    The beginning of the 2008 season, I believe.
     
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    Again, it's a first down either way and teams are not going to just give up first downs.

    College football is just 15 yards regardless of where it happens.
     
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    I've seen college games where players, 30+ yards down the field, blatantly commit PI to prevent longer gains and touchdowns.
     
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    Maybe, I'll admit I don't watch near as much college football as I do NFL. Anyway, I am not a proponent or opponent of changing pass interference rules, just giving my .02 on what I think would happen. :)
     
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    It's not super common or anything, but I think it happens more in college simply because of how much teams throw. I don't think it would be a major problem in the NFL.
     
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    I think the refs usually do a pretty good job on pass interference calls. Of course there are bad call but it's hardy so rampant that major overhaul is needed.

    I would certainly prefer the refs to be more conservative on calls and allow a little contact but oh well.
     
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    OP must have been a lineman lolz
     
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    Safety actually.
     
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    one could also consider that offensive pass interference isn't called nearly as often as it seems to occur. The NFL won't push to change this, because as with most sports, more scoring is usually better than less, but you see a lot of offensive pass interference that isn't called (maybe it's not "technically" pass interference, but certainly looks like it).

    Moreover, a lot of times the offensive player will give a slight pull or tug to a defender that isn't entirely noticeable but gets the defender off balance and occasionally results in defensive pass interference.

    also, i'm not entirely sure, but as i understand it, whether or not the defender has turned his head and spotted the ball and made a play on it factors in somehow to whether or not interference happens/is called. I don't really understand this. I think defenders should be able to defend without physically impeding the offensive player (i.e. through grabs, early hits, etc.) - i think "face-guarding" or blind swatting off the ball, if done without physical interference, just seems like good defense to me.
     
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    I think the way it works is that you can make more contact if you're looking for the ball - because then you're just like another receiver and it's "incidental contact". I'm pretty sure you can faceguard and blindly swat the ball without being called for PI as long as you don't make contact or impede the receiver from getting to the ball.

    Where the problem really occurs is on balls thrown short. The receiver stops or slows down to come back to or wait for the ball; the defender has no idea and is chasing the receiver and runs into him. That's PI. If the defender is looking back at the ball and runs in to the receiver, I think it's not PI.
     
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    idk i saw the jets win a game against denver early this year with a bogus hail mary pi. they got the ball on the 1 yd line and won a game they would have otherwise lost. that's why i don't like the spot foul.
     

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