1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

A city that deserves a NFL team

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by UtilityPlayer, Jan 14, 2014.

Tags:
  1. Dgn1

    Dgn1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2012
    Messages:
    3,028
    Likes Received:
    1,198
    That's the beauty of it, NFL doesn't need to go David Stern on many things. Small markets like Pittsburgh and Green Bay hold up.
     
  2. SuperS32

    SuperS32 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2000
    Messages:
    928
    Likes Received:
    26
    LA and San Antonio are the obivious ones, and London is a wild card. Toronto would be interesting too - the CFL has done pretty well there.
     
  3. Brando2101

    Brando2101 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2005
    Messages:
    6,410
    Likes Received:
    927
    LA had a way to explain the stadium. That's why they got the team. You're saying that the presentation was bad because after the fact they couldn't deliver. That's not really what presentation means.

    LA could not get followthrough on their presentation (which was chosen) and Bob Mcnair came back to the NFL with a stadium and 700 million dollars. That isn't presentation. It's a stadium and... 700 million dollars. That's why the NFL took away the 32nd team from Los Angeles and awarded it to Houston.
     
  4. BleedsRocketRed

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,909
    Likes Received:
    2,191
    I am throwing out there Toronto. (other than LA obviously) Its the 2nd largest city among cities/metro areas in the Canadian/US region and is the largest market in Canada. I think it would be smart to tap into that CFL market some and try expanding there before London honestly.
     
  5. Dgn1

    Dgn1 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2012
    Messages:
    3,028
    Likes Received:
    1,198
    Since 1995, LA had plenty of time to get their sheet together. Lost both their teams and was earmarked to get one before Bud Adams even knew he was leaving Houston.
     
  6. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,192
    Likes Received:
    14,423
    I think the NFL considers Toronto be strong enough Bills country that they really wouldn't be gaining that many more fans/viewers by giving that region another team to watch.

    If the NFL really wanted a team in Toronto, they would have helped facilitate the Bills moving there... rather than helping facilitate the Bills staying in Buffalo.

    The only new place the NFL wants a team is LA... and would expand just to get a team there if needed. Every other city would likely need a team to move.
     
  7. Brando2101

    Brando2101 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2005
    Messages:
    6,410
    Likes Received:
    927
    What does this have to do with them deserving a team or not? The state of California is having problems privately funding a NFL stadium. Houston couldn't do that either. You're also wrong. The 32nd team was granted years after Adams left. Bids were sent from LA and from McNair and LA won. Houston was told to stay patient in case LA didn't work out.

    You've completely gone off topic. What happened to "presentation." You're just making a random argument that doesn't have to do with what I said about your last post.
     
    #67 Brando2101, Jan 15, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2014
  8. Raven

    Raven Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,984
    Likes Received:
    1,025
    Deserves? You mean crazy enough to bribe the NFL?

    Portland
    LA
    SA
     
  9. BetterThanI

    BetterThanI Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    4,181
    Likes Received:
    381
    Hasn't the gambling factor pretty much ruled out Vegas in the past?
     
  10. mtbrays

    mtbrays Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2007
    Messages:
    7,712
    Likes Received:
    6,500
    If the Chargers can't get a stadium deal in San Diego, they'll probably move to Los Angeles. It's not far and the NFL already blacks out games in LA if the Chargers don't sell out, so the media market is waiting.
     
  11. plutoblue11

    plutoblue11 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2006
    Messages:
    10,526
    Likes Received:
    1,009
    LA is stuck right in between "Do they really want a NFL team," or "Do writers assume we should have a football team." In the past, LA had not one, but two NFL franchises with San Diego being an odd 60 miles away. I'm not sure everyone is considering that such a team would sell out games, simply because they are in town. People aren't going to magically start showing up for football games to watch a substandard football team, like the Jaguars, regardless of their geographic location. On the contrary, the NFL and few local private hands in Los Angeles are the one WHO IS HEAVILY pushing for a team to be in LA, because it means colossal TV dollars/sponsorship.
     
  12. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,925
    Likes Received:
    2,265
    Where are you guys getting Toronto's metro population from? There are 5.6M people there. That's less than Houston's metro area.
     
  13. ItsMyFault

    ItsMyFault Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    15,646
    Likes Received:
    978
    They're likely counting the entire Golden Horseshoe which would be my guess. That has around 8.7 million.
     
  14. texanskan

    texanskan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    Messages:
    4,529
    Likes Received:
    105
    I don't think there should be more teams than 32

    Move the Raiders to LA (natural)
    Bills to Toronto (if they get a stadium and it's "their" team it will work)
    Jags to London (has stadium)

    Possible team relocation spots then [Rams only candidate]

    1) San Antonio
    2) Portland
    3) Las Vegas

    Don't think any of those cities could support MLB but definitely NBA/NFL
     
  15. CCorn

    CCorn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2010
    Messages:
    21,456
    Likes Received:
    21,277
    According to the map I think Idaho should have one. It might take the whole state to fill the stadium, but how bad ass would the Idaho Harvesters be?
     
  16. UtilityPlayer

    UtilityPlayer Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,546
    Likes Received:
    14
    How about Salt Lake City? It can support an NFL team.
     
  17. sammy

    sammy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2002
    Messages:
    18,949
    Likes Received:
    3,528
    No mention of Ok City. I would think a team could thrive in a football state like Ok.
     
  18. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,192
    Likes Received:
    14,423
    Bills agreed to renovate RWS and sign a lease for at least the next 10 years.

    Eventually, that market will either sink or swim.... but given the TV money being upped every year, you could conceivably put a team in the sahara desert, and they'd still make money.
     
  19. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2001
    Messages:
    29,298
    Likes Received:
    5,413
    Football is king to basketball, so that wouldn't be surprising. OKC has big groups of OU, OKST, & Cowboys fans.
     
  20. mtbrays

    mtbrays Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2007
    Messages:
    7,712
    Likes Received:
    6,500
    I wasn't disputing that. Look at the top games viewed in Houston during 2013; nearly all of them are football. What I was trying to say about Oklahoma City is that for most of its history, it was a one-horse town and that horse was Sooner football.

    The Thunder have had a good run, but the fan base hasn't been tested with true losing. They were bad the first couple of years, but there was a newness to them. It'll be interesting when the Thunder do have losing seasons to see how OKC reacts in terms of attendance and ratings. There's no doubt that people live and breathe Sooner football, even when they lose. Will they do the same for the Thunder?
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now