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A Christian holding a Bible

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    Bishop William J. Barber, II is Pastor of Greenleaf Christian Church, Disciples of Christ in Goldsboro, North Carolina and President and Senior Lecturer of Repairers of the Breach. He is also architect of the Forward Together Moral Movement that gained national acclaim with its Moral Monday protests at the North Carolina General Assembly in 2013. He is also the past president of the NC NAACP.

    Trump’s use of the Bible was obscene. He should try reading the words inside it

    On Monday evening, federal authorities used tear gas to clear Lafayette Square so President Trump could pose for a photo while holding a Bible in front of St. John’s Episcopal Church. It wasn’t the first time Trump has used the word of God as a political prop. But it was obscene, even for him.

    Though Trump answered ambiguously when asked if the volume he was holding was his Bible, it appeared to be the Revised Standard Version of the text that he has used to signal to his Christian nationalist followers before.

    According to David Brody and Scott Lamb’s unironic “spiritual biography,” “The Faith of Donald Trump,” the Revised Standard Version was a gift from Trump’s mother, Mary Anne, on the occasion of his graduation from Sunday Church Primary School at the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens. Since his 2016 campaign, Trump has publicly claimed that the Bible is “very special” to him, using it frequently to authenticate his faith among what he calls “the evangelicals.” When he took the oath of office at his inauguration, Trump placed that Bible on top of the Abraham Lincoln Bible from the Library of Congress.

    Though Trump has said little more about this Bible publicly, charismatic television preachers such as his faith adviser, Paula White-Cain, have developed a mythos around it. According to the version of the story these preachers often recite in sermons, this Bible was sent to Trump’s mother by two aunts in Scotland who were instrumental prayer warriors in an early-20th-century revival there. Among so-called Christian nationalists who believe that America has strayed from its traditional values and must be redeemed by “Christian” leadership, this Bible has become a sort of talisman to convey spiritual authority to an unlikely “chosen one.”

    Whether Trump believes any of this, millions of Christian nationalists do. For them, a picture of Trump with what appears to be his great aunts’ Bible in front of a beleaguered church is worth a thousand words of reassurance.

    But for those of us who study and preach the Bible’s text, that Christian nationalism is an offense. The presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, Michael Curry, tweeted on Monday evening that the president had “used a church building and the Holy Bible for partisan political purposes.” While that is true, we find it even more outrageous that Trump and the religious extremists he appeals to have turned Christian faith against itself.

    As preachers in the South, one black and one white, we are painfully aware of the ways Christian faith has been used to justify slavery, white supremacy, legal segregation, corporate exploitation, the dominance of women and the dehumanization of LGBTQ people. As Frederick Douglass put it, “Between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference.”

    Millions of Christians and other people of faith see and acknowledge this difference.

    We read the prophet Isaiah’s cry, “Woe unto those who legislate evil … make women and children their prey,” and we know it is a challenge to this administration and any political leadership that neglects its responsibility to care for the poor and most vulnerable in our society.

    We read the prophet Jeremiah crying out against those who say, “‘Peace, peace’ when there is no peace.” We hear it as a call to listen to the grief of Americans who are not only weary of racialized police violence but also of a pandemic that has fallen disproportionately on black, brown and poor communities who are often asked to do what the essential work of food preparation, sanitation and bodily care.

    We read Jesus saying, “Woe unto you … hypocrites … you have neglected the weightier matters of the law,” and we know that, at the very heart of our faith, we are called to challenge those who try to twist belief to use it for their own ends.

    The Bible as a talisman has real political power. But we believe the words inside the book are more powerful. If we unite across lines of race, creed and culture to stand together on the moral vision of love, justice and truth that was proclaimed by Jesus and the prophets, we have the capacity to reclaim the heart of this democracy and work together for a more perfect union.


    To do that, we need to read the Bible and live it, not wave it for the cameras.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...bscene-he-should-try-reading-words-inside-it/
     
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    "the great Bible-off of 2020." lol

    https://www.theroot.com/oh-we-holding-up-bibles-nancy-pelosi-holds-the-good-b-1843862513
     
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    I couldn't process it... had to step away and let it sink in.

    my very initial reaction was ... I just witnessed an unintended blasphemy live in action and for a microsecond, I felt embarrassed and sorry for such a clueless and completely reality devoided soul.

    That’s before I knew they cleared the peaceful gathering protesters away with tear gas to have that moment.
     
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    That is not the way Zeus rolls. Zeus does not care if you do or do not believe in him.
     
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    Just the a$$-kissing.
     
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    What do you want at least she wore black.
     
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    How can they be so ignorant and dishonest to make such a comparison?



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    Lol

    Did GWB have peaceful protestors attacked in order to clear the way to the pitchers mound?
     
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    I remember watching Churchill having British citizens gassed so he could walk to his photo op...

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    from the words of former La Gov Bobby Gindal, a staunch Republican,

    Trump has never read the Bible,
    cos his name is not in it​
     
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    It appears to be laughing gas.
     
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    Did she need to run over peaceful protestors using riot police to get to that book? That's the part I believe people are irked about.

    I'm sure Pelosi panders religion hence why she isn't anywhere close to my favorite politican but she doesn't go beyond the pale by doing fascist **** like beat down peaceful protestors and FOREIGN PRESS creating an international incident to clear the way for a photo op.
     
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    This is the most Trump thing ever!

    He gases his own citizens.

    He gets called out on gassing his own citizens.

    He leaks his daughter and that fat toad William Barr said to do it.

    He then some how gets the national guard to lie and say it was pepper balls and DEMANDS an apology.

    Pepper balls and tear gas have virtually the same effect and impact.

    The CDC, that Trump has ****ed over comes out and says “nope tear gas”.

    That is the most Trump thing ever... all that is missing is some dog whistle allusion to black people being from shithole countries or Hispanics being rapists.

    MAGA!
     
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    I for one am kind of upset that the Battle of Lafayette Square (in the south, they call it the Battle of St. John's Parish House Church, historians differ) and its immortal "Barr's Charge", has been swept unto the dustbin of our era's tawdry excuse for history.

    Hopefully Ivanka's bible and/or its Max Mara Bible Carrying case is one day enshrined at the Smithsonian and/or the Museum of the Bible.
     

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