1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2019 Hong Kong Protest

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    56,256
    Likes Received:
    48,121
    The free, sovereign and independent nation of Taiwan has banned all brain harvesting and transplants regardless the level of intelligence.
     
    Nook likes this.
  2. WNBA

    WNBA Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2002
    Messages:
    5,365
    Likes Received:
    404
    Perfect, that's why they wanted to set fire on people and beat up a little girl on the street. "protesters" were not just standing there...
     
  3. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2000
    Messages:
    18,278
    Likes Received:
    13,532
    After you've been shot 3 or 4 times with rubber bullets it tends to make you a little grumpy.

    Of course, that is exactly the desired result, so...
     
    #483 Ottomaton, Nov 12, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2019
    Nook and Ubiquitin like this.
  4. KingLeoric

    KingLeoric Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    803
    Yet Americans never stop telling the world what to think.
     
  5. KingLeoric

    KingLeoric Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    803
    I wonder what Americans would think if a Hongkong cockroach protester crashed a plane into a building.
     
  6. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2000
    Messages:
    18,278
    Likes Received:
    13,532
    If that were in danger of happening it might be a relevant question.

    As it is they are some people protesting outsiders coming into their home and breaking the rules that they agreed to when they entered, so your question is a non sequitur. As far as I can tell, the hong kong protests are all occurring in hong kong, not mainland China. When a plane flies into Zhongnanhai, please feel free to ask again.
     
    #486 Ottomaton, Nov 12, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2019
  7. KingLeoric

    KingLeoric Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    803
    LOL u Americans would love to see that don't u. Still I feel sorry 9/11 happened to your country.

    OK so let's say one crashed a plane into a building in Hongkong, whats your opinion on that. (I am asking cause I see people think a protestor burning an old man alive for disagreeing with him is justified)
     
  8. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,871

     
    Nook likes this.
  9. WNBA

    WNBA Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2002
    Messages:
    5,365
    Likes Received:
    404
    some lowlife Americans would stand behind them and claim that they are just being "grumpy".
     
  10. WNBA

    WNBA Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2002
    Messages:
    5,365
    Likes Received:
    404


    so grumpy to lit a man?
     
  11. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2000
    Messages:
    18,278
    Likes Received:
    13,532
    Incorrect. I never would have even considered it if you hadn't made the suggestion. It is your fantasy scenario.

    I'd you kick enough people in the nuts, I guarantee you that a significant fraction will turn around and punch you back in the nose. This is not to approve of punching you in the nose, but statistically is is a human reaction and if you pretend for a moment that you have just been kicked in the nuts, you can sort of understand the impulse to respond to violence with violence.

    Conversely, if I kick you in the nuts, and you go home and spend the next six months devising a plan to dismember and torture every member of my family and carry it out after weeks of practice, that funtimentally has a different characteristic than the spur of the moment punch back.

    They are both violent reactions, but one is fundimentally different from the other.
     
    #491 Ottomaton, Nov 12, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2019
    mdrowe00 likes this.
  12. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2000
    Messages:
    18,278
    Likes Received:
    13,532

    Perhaps you are not familiar with understated sarcasm. Give me your address, I'll come over and shoot you five or six times with rubber bullets and you can tell me if grumpy accurately describes how you feel.
     
    Nook and Ubiquitin like this.
  13. Miracle

    Miracle Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2015
    Messages:
    133
    Likes Received:
    104
    I understand that the root cause is that many HKers distrust CCP and do not want to be ruled by them. But what was the "culture shock" that you refer to?

    Based on what I read, there wasn't really much change of the political system after the handover. Some opinions suggest that the problems were
    (1) HKers expected more autonomy (than under the UK ruling) after the handover but failed to get it;
    (2) downsides of the existing system emerged as time progressed, making it harder for some people's voice to be heard;
    (3) the economic slowdown caused by the Asian financial crisis aggravated HKers' discontent with the local government.
    All those led to a decreased support of the local government, which also made it harder for the government to recruit elites and enact new policies. CCP had some responsibilities in the governance issues but it was not the sole problem.

    At present, it is impossible for HKers to obtain complete political independence. The protesters won't achieve more goals by escalating the level of violence. And they do not seem to be willing to seek for dialogues or comprises either.
     
  14. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    54,172
    Likes Received:
    112,818
    There are large differences between mainland Chinese and those from Hong Kong. There are far more freedoms in Hong Kong and more open media access. As a result the perspectives of Hong Kong and mainland are very different.

    There are also many tensions between Chinese on mainland and people from Hong Kong. In many cases they look down upon each other and that resentment has been a problem.

    You say that the protestors cannot get what they want and I agree with you for the most part. However many of them feel it is inevitable they will lose their freedoms and right and Hong Kong will be absorbed by the CCP. That is a very frightening prospect for people that are used to a certain level or autonomy. So they fight because the alternative is so terrible. They will lose their home essentially and what makes Hong Kong unique.

    If something like this were to happen to the USA, there would be protestors regardless of chance of success. It is human nature.

    I am financially supporting protest organizations in Hong Kong and will continue to do so. My family is there. Even my conservative relatives there do not want to be under CCP control.
     
    Os Trigonum and RayRay10 like this.
  15. ashleyem

    ashleyem Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2009
    Messages:
    5,764
    Likes Received:
    7,785
    **** is about go down in HK. Police attacked a university in HK causing a territory wide unrest. The whole territory is paralysed. PLA helicopters spotted circling in HK. Sons and daughters of mainland officials who are studying in HK got escorted back to the mainland last night. Atmosphere is very tense.
     
    Nook likes this.
  16. ashleyem

    ashleyem Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2009
    Messages:
    5,764
    Likes Received:
    7,785


    ICYMI, Police fired more than 2000 tear gas canisters into the Chinese University of Hong Kong for 8 hours non-stop.
     
    Nook likes this.
  17. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    21,858
    Likes Received:
    18,639
     
    Nook likes this.
  18. mdrowe00

    mdrowe00 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,666
    Likes Received:
    3,889
    "Virtue by premeditation isn't worth much." — Georg C. Lichtenberg
     
    Nook likes this.
  19. Miracle

    Miracle Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2015
    Messages:
    133
    Likes Received:
    104
    How do you know that those students are children of "mainland officials"? In the current situation it seems more likely that the central and local governments are trying to help every mainland student to leave HK safely without being harmed by uncontrolled protesters.

    The cause of the confrontation was that some students attempted to disrupt public traffic by throwing objects to the highway from inside the university campus. They refused to stop and the police decided to enter the campus to make arrests. The Chinese version of BBC report (Google-translated English version) gave a relatively unbiased description while the English versions seemed to completely ignore the misconduct of the students. Mainstream western media is basically just catering to their readers. The SCMP report and statements of a university professor who had been sympathetic to protesters also provided additional information of the confrontation.

    These so-called pro-democracy activists are doing the same thing as CCP -- their perceived enemy -- in propaganda and brainwashing. They portray themselves as innocent & peaceful demonstrators and downplay & justify violence against general public by calling out police brutality. A few days ago, some of them also used the death of a HKUST student -- which had no evidence to be linked to police actions -- to manipulate and drive protesters to vandalize the campus and the office of the university chief. Isn't it hypocritical that the protesters were justified to vandalize university campus and threaten the chief while the police actions were perceived as riots?
     
    #499 Miracle, Nov 13, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2019
  20. ashleyem

    ashleyem Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2009
    Messages:
    5,764
    Likes Received:
    7,785
    @Miracle It is reported by local media and confirmed by mainland students in CUHK. Thousands of them are still in CUHK.

    The Police are protecting an autocratic regime. They can go **** themselves.
     
    Nook likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now