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[2017 NFL Draft/1-12] Deshaun Watson

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2017.

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Do you like the decision to trade up & select Deshaun Watson?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    He went 9-7 with Kubiaks roster.

    Now that it's his roster, he's 4-11.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    That's giving him credit for the defense which is the ONLY reason why the team went 9-7.
     
  3. houstonstime

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    Bahaha his roster? We lost like 14 starters. Including our QB, top 2-3 defenders, and only good person on the Oline. Jesus man.
     
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  4. tmacfor35

    tmacfor35 Contributing Member

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    There is a few on here that would sell their souls to the devil in order to make a point.
     
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    https://scout.com/nfl/texans/Articl...kins-Playing-Well-Down-the-Stretch--112815476
     
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  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Many points to make here.

    First, we should not have counted on Watt. We knew he might not be the same. Same goes for Kevin Johnson and Cushing who have been injury prone. Joseph is old. Nick Martin has never been healthy. Watson we weren't even planning to start.

    So in light of our injury prone starters, you'd think Rick and O'Brien would work together to build some depth, right? Nope. Street free agents are good enough!

    Secondly, O'Briens offense is a concussion generating machine. His extremely predictable offense leads receivers directly into defenders. This is why Fiedo, Braxton and other receivers have been concussed. Not to mention Will Fuller getting broken bones and multiple QBs getting concussed.

    In light of his offense not protecting players very well, you'd think O'Brien would make upgrading the offensive line a priority. But nope.

    Or you'd think O'Brien give up trying to copy belichick offense. The only time obriens offense hasn't been embarrassing has been when he copied Kubiak or Clemson.

    O'Brien bragged about trading up for nix and strong. He took a shot at the previous regime for not trading up. How's that working out?

    We haven't even gotten into his clock management issues , misusing Lamar Miller up the middle, asking lechler the challenge rules, the QB carousels, dumb play calling at the end of games and on and on.

    What exactly are orbiens strength as a coach?
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Bill O'Brien is the worst head coach in the league.

    He'll probably go back to college. But I hope he gets an OC job at Indy because that takes out a competitor.
     
  8. houstonstime

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    Ok, so draft and free agent acquisitions are on Obrien now? Just clarifying because its on Smith or Kubiak when its someone good but on Obrien when its bad. Trading up for Fuller, best WR in that class so far. For watson? Best Qb in that class so far. But sure, only count Nix and Strong.

    Apparently it is also Obriens fault that anyone gets concussed AS WELL AS any other injuries like Kevin and Nick Martin.

    However lets look at all those injuries:
    Fuller, broken collarbone - QB Savage (throw way out in front)
    Fiedo, Concussion - QB Savage
    Miller, Concussion - QB Savage
    Savage, Concussion - QB Savage
    Oline is terrible, but I forgot, Obrien's roster so thats his fault that Brooks and Brown left.
    Fiedo gets concussed every time he is hit, not sure how Obrien is supposed to just stop tackles all together.

    He makes the decision to start Watson.. after one half of savage.. He is dogged for waiting too long.
    When he does have Watson and ZERO DEFENSIVE STARTERS he has the number 1 offense in the league (Im assuming you will say this is all on Watson?)
    When he has Savage or the QB carousel (not sure how that is his fault) the offense sucks. However instead this time of putting the offense on the QB, its on the coach this time. As if BOB only calls plays when Savage is in.

    Finally, please show me an example of a team as decimated by injuries to the starters that had a good season.
     
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  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Yes OBrien works with Rick to build the roster. There have been a million quotes posted about this.

    Yes, he gets credit for Watson and Fuller. But overall his roster building deserves an F.

    Yes, O'Brien and Rick decided TOGETHER to dismantle the OL and let Bouye go and sign Osweiler.

    Savage was causing concussions because OBrien went back to his garbage system. He abandoned the play action he used so much with Watson. And yes, slow QBs can run play action. See Schaub.

    Also, Savage was HIS pick.
     
  10. houstonstime

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    We'll just have to agree to disagree. But I don't understand how you couldnt at least want one full year of him with Watson. That was the best offense we have EVER had as a franchise. Put it on Watson all you want, BOB called the plays. If that is the ONLY qb his system works with then let them try for a full year at least. If he can't keep it going then fine.
     
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  11. Bobbythegreat

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    Wouldn't you rather Watson have a competent coach? I would.

    That said, sure, let BOB stay till his contract is up since he's shown an ability to not COMPLETELY hinder what Watson can do, then go get someone who can actually coach an offense.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Because it wasn't the OBrien system, it was the Clemson system. O'Brien completely changed it.

    I want a head coach who can protect Watson. He was forced to run too much and he may have been injured on one of the sacks against Seattle.
     
  13. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Kubiak went 2-11 with Kubiak's roster.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    That's different, the team gave up on the head coach, it's the reason he had to go even if he was a good coach. The core talent on the team wasn't a 2 win team. They had just won 12 games the previous season.

    A big part of why the team gave up on Kubiak was his blind loyalty to Matt Schuab, who clearly didn't have it anymore but that wasn't enough to have Kubiak give up on him. When you have a head coach making just terrible decisions that end up hurting the team, you run the risk of losing the locker room.....and that's just what happened.
     
  15. prohibido

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    He does not make these decisions. Christ, you are thick AF.
     
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  16. Mr. Clutch

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    He does actually. Bill O'Brien said so himself, he makes decisions with Rick.
     
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  17. Mr. Clutch

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    He also went 12-4 and probably would have made the Super Bowl if Schaub didnt get hurt.
     
  18. Chilly_Pete

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    Everything that is wrong with the Texans is because of OBrien.

    If there is any thing positive OBrien has nothing to do with it.
     
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  19. Mr. Clutch

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    So what are the positive things?
     

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