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‘Trump Is What Happens When a Political Party Abandons Ideas’

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. Astrodome

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    Both sides have major flaws. This is not a one-way street. I don't have time to cite liberal examples right now but I will come back later after work.

    Criticizing every single decision Trump makes is madness.
     
  2. ima_drummer2k

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    Of course, but only one "side" currently has control over all 3 branches of government. So what's the point of talking about the "side" that doesn't?
     
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  3. Astrodome

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    You're right, we dont have to talk about them. Although those flaws that we won't mention put all 3 branches where they are today.
     
  4. NewRoxFan

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    Wow... hard to parse through all of this. First, this is a discussion about an article written about trump and the republican party. You attempted to defend trump by deflecting to Podesta emails. I am pretty sure there was at least one long D&D topic about Podesta emails and the Clinton campaign, which would be the correct place for a discussion about them.

    Then you strawdog some bizarre question about "you think its ok to be unethical as long as you dont win ... even if you supported the candidate!! Pathetic." Other than sounding just like a Trump tweet, care to point out how that is relevant? Maybe you should start a thread discussing Democrats... might help you avoid the Trumpsters "whatabouts" you seem caught in.

    As someone else posted... attempting to compare Podesta and even Hillary Clinton's ethical behavior to Trump's is laughable and IMO only hints at your true beliefs. And again, if you want to discuss Clinton... happy to discuss, in a thread about Clinton. I suspect you won't find a similar count of lies and misstruths that Trump has been caught telling, even in FoxNews. But search away...

    And finally, your last, your deflection "And if Clinton did win, you certainly wouldn't be criticizing her and her campaign. That, my friend, is the clearest form of hypocrisy." I have criticized Clinton and her campaign plenty. In threads discussing Clinton and her campaign. Heck, going as far back as 2008 primary.
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    True... and there are many threads talking about Democrat candidates flaws and even the Democratic party flaws. Those threads not only had the expected republican/conservative posts, ranging from the "haha, scoreboard" to more thoughtful analyses, but also the expected range of Democrat posts, ranging from "bah, we are perfect, no changes needed" to more thoughtful and introspective self examination.

    And btw, when Trump makes a good move, he does get recognition (including from me). Admittedly, doesn't happen often, but Trump does have some control over that.
     
  6. Amiga

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    I read some of it, especially the one related to wall streets. I don't recall any of them that are that out of the ordinary, unethical, immoral. Not very honest and not honorable - yes, but not to any extreme level.

    Compare and contrast to Trump. You simply can't objectively and if you do subjectively equate them as equal, which you have always have done and continue to do so even now, you are delusional or ill-informed.

    Beside, this isn't that important. Clinton lost. I rather not talk about her any more. If you want to talk about Dem, talk about the next leader you think they will have for 2020.

    Trump is POTUS because a party abandon being moral, being ethical, ... for short term win. Win at all cost. We all know the impact it will have on kids, we do. You can ignore it if you want, but that's the consequences of winning at all cost.
     
  7. ima_drummer2k

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    I wish Trump supporters would be a little more open to criticism. I have many Trump supporters in my family who just automatically dismiss ANY negative story about him without taking even a second to analyse it and/or think about it for themselves. I'm sure this is true for most of his supporters. Seriously, I think we can all agree that not every single negative story about Trump has merit, but I just wish his people wouldn't be so quick to automatically dismiss them all.

    Nothing wrong with supporting your guy in the election, but once he wins, it's time to take off the blinders and be a little less biased. I supported Kasich in the primaries, but you can bet that if he had won, I would have instantly become his biggest critic starting Wednesday morning after the election.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    I hope you're right. But, I think they kinda painted themselves into a corner with the rhetoric of the past 6 years that didn't take governing seriously.
     
  9. pirc1

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    Let them have Trump care, they deserve it.
     
  10. Space Ghost

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    Revisionist history. The people elected Trump. He did not have the party support. Unlike the DNC, the RNC will let any candidate on the ticket if they are popular enough.

    That said, I do not think the RNC is squeaky clean by any means. Just don't pretend your party is any better. They are not.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Bernie wasn't even a Democrat before he ran. So WTH are you talking about? DO you think an independent could run in a RNC primary successfully?

    They let Trump run because the RNC party heads eventually understood that the dude will be nothing more than a rubber stamper for the GOP majority in the house and senate which the RNC cares about more. As long as they have a dimwitted president that will agree with everything Paul Ryan and Mitch shove up our assholes, they couldn't give two ***** about how 'anti-establishment' Trump is whatever the **** that means.
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    "LOL".

    Bernie was a straw man. Everyone knows that. You said it yourself ... he is an independent. They learned their lesson with Obama in 2008...even though it worked out well for them.

    I love the way you try to rationalize Trump. The RNC never thought Trump would win the nomination, much less the election. Have you really forgotten the attempts from the RNC to replace Trump as the nomination ... even after he won?
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    And rationally why would they be afraid? He's the GOP establishment's wet dream as a rubber stamper for the GOP legislature. Why would the GOP be afraid of Trump besides optics of supporting a dimwit?
     
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  14. NewRoxFan

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    Gee, you are sounding more and more like RocketLegend. Yes, I have forgotten all of the RNC attempts to replace Trump after he won the vote. Perhaps you can remind me. Those attempts must have really soured the relationship between Trump and the RNC... except of course Trump naming the chairman of the RNC as his Chief of Staff.
     
  15. TheFreak

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    Huh?
     
  16. DaDakota

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    So far other than infastructure comments he has been worthless.

    Trump is not a republican he is a con man who is profiteering at the countries expense, nothing more than that.

    DD
     
  17. SamFisher

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    People who create false equivalence are a much bigger problem.

    This is a large part of the reason we have Trump.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    It's true that Republicans looked for ways to prevent Trump from getting the nomination even after he won the requisite number of delegates.....but there wasn't a way to do so. The DNC has a way to do that built in to their system so if they had a candidate winning primaries that they didn't want to be their candidate it wouldn't be a problem. That's the reason they have the superdelegates, it's a way to circumvent the will of the people if it isn't in line with the direction they've decided to go. Without the superdelegates and other DNC interference, it's very possible Bernie Sanders would have won their nomination.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    Perhaps worthy of a new/separate thread... the Economist Magazine opines on Trump...

    Donald Trump’s Washington is paralysed
    And the man in the Oval Office is making a bad situation worse
    https://www.economist.com/news/lead...-bad-situation-worse-donald-trumps-washington
     

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