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‘Trump Is What Happens When a Political Party Abandons Ideas’

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    1. Article not about democrats.
    2. Tells me you didn't read it.
    3. Author is worrying about his team. His lifelong beloved team.

    So nobody on the right has ANYTHING to say about the actual article. At least read it; respect your party elders.
     
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  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You the OP and all the democrats need to worry about the party that's losin
    I know a republican wrote this

    I'm talking about the posters here lying to themselves that Trump and Republicans are losing
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I'm not trying to be a jerk

    At what point do Democrats start doing a self analysis

    You're gonna look up and Trump will go from a blip on the radar to trend
     
  4. RocketsLegend

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    Bruce Bartlett is the lowest common denominator. I'm so glad people like him no longer run the Republican party. mainstream Republican is dead. Hooray!
     
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    We don't want the mainstream Republicans. We rejected them and we won! Why can't they understand that Republican party is no longer the party of Bushism?
     
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    Your beloved Republican party was failing before Trump came along. Trump saved the Republicans from another defeat.
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Not only that, everyone should celebrate the desth of Clinton Bush dynasties

    They serve no useful purpose
     
  8. Haymitch

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    Where did you copy/paste these comments from?
     
  9. RocketsLegend

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    What do you mean?
     
  10. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

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    I guess republicans/conservatives/trump fans found the thoughtful analysis presented by former Reagan adviser as too difficult to discuss... a shame, that discussion would seem interesting. And by the way, there are threads discussing the Democrat party and future candidates... but if you think it important to start another, knock yourself out.
     
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    Astroturf wants to be smart and winning.

    I bet he has small hands too.
     
  12. Commodore

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    a personal ideological allegiance is fine, but personal views of right and wrong are not the only (not even the primary) consideration when acting as a representative

    constituent preference is, rightly, paramount (critics call it "pandering to voters")

    if the representative goes against the preference of their voters, they should be ready to (1) lose their job or (2) hope the future impact will be politically popular
     
  13. TheFreak

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    Not sure it's up to Democrats to get people to stop being idiots. I think it's obvious to most that Trump supporters are the ones that need to do the self-analysis. I mean at some point it's just not okay to pander to stupidity. What about all the people who don't identify as Democrats but realize Trump is a national embarrassment?
     
  14. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    The Kremlin, where else? Not even kidding.
     
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    BS. Trump is what happens when you abandon a giant portion of your population. There's no mystery here. There is a gigantic segment of the American population that were promised something reasonable, had it taken away, had their purchasing power frozen (like everyone else), got fired, had no other skills, watched their towns collapse, saw their fathers and brothers and sisters in tears, mocked for not switching to equally corrupt Democrats, watched establishment politicians flooding the country with cheap labor with no plan whatsoever for what happens to the fired and to the hopeless, no reasonably priced healthcare in recent history, and so on. And Trump doesn't fix all that for them, but Clinton wasn't going to either. And they BELIEVE in the idea of smaller government, and that's not a less legitimate viewpoint.

    They are not the only people with problems, and you may not like how they deal with it, but this is truth. These are not evil people. These are not people without principles. They are not idiots and you are not smarter than they are. Their representatives are no more representative than yours. These are severely disenfranchised, isolated, betrayed people.

    And for the record, that's how all authoritarian groups emerge. Out of a group that was shat on.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The one thing that everyone should take some consolation in is that Trump proved anyone can win.

    On the presidential level because of the internet you don't need the party system.

    Whatever Trump's legacy ends up being for better or worse, that's the biggest lesson from the election.
     
  17. pgabriel

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    I agree other than the economic phenomenon is natural.

    The economy is now global. Trump AND Sanders played to people's fear on this subject
     
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    You have really bought into this narrative huh?

    The average Trump voter had a higher income than the average Hillary voter.

    Unless you want to make the argument that Trump voters tend to be more altruistic, you really have no argument.
     
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  19. Space Ghost

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    But I thought only the smart educated people (better jobs of course) voted Democrats while the dumb white rural racists voted for Trump.
     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    Odd you would attempt a strawdog by taking "higher income" mentioned by fchowd0311 and change that to "smart educated people"... but anyway:

    Poll: Voters with higher levels of education favor Clinton
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...with-higher-levels-of-education-favor-clinton
     

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