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Breaking: Trump's Wall

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    Ryan is not a fool he knew mexico would never be paying for the wall guess he figured there was no need to learn Spanish.
     
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    That bust really makes 45's vanity wall look like a waste of time and money if he was to get it.
     
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    Correct, as does his own white house report on its drug strategy (which doesn't mention a wall). But it was never really about drugs, and it really wasn't about women and children being transported into the country with blue tape on their heads and turning left and right.
     
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    Hey border patrol seems pretty keen on it. Do you know more about their job?
     
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    Not sure if posted before.

    These guys have an incentive to want better security with additional tools and funding for their regions, so that's their narrow-focused priority and agenda.


    Sheriff’s coalition releases statement about border security, immigration

    The Southwestern Border Sheriff’s Coalition released the following statement about border security and immigration.

    The SBSC consists of 31 Border Sheriffs and counties from Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas.


    How to Secure the Border
    There has been much focus on “The Wall.” The term “The Wall” has become synonymous with border security. This term has become a lightning rod of division that has detracted, more than added, to thoughtful approaches to securing our border. “The Wall” is a soundbite, not a cogent public policy position. The U.S./Mexico border is nearly 2,000 linear miles. It presents topography, environmental and land use challenges to what might be considered a traditional wall. There are mountains, waterways, Native American Reservations and environmentally sensitive areas where traditional physical barriers will be difficult, if not impossible, to construct. Some areas are very remote and lack the supporting infrastructure to facilitate a massive construction project of this scale.

    Even if properly funded and enjoying wide spread public support, it would take many years to construct a wall across the entire border with Mexico. We cannot wait for years and be hostage to the future whims of subsequent political leadership to secure our border. The time is now.

    There are many places where physical barriers make sense and are in fact the best solution to securing the border. They should be constructed without delay. In other locations, we need to turn to technology, which thanks to modern advances is robust and effective. In other areas, we need more human resources to ensure security. Likely, in all locations we will need some blend of physical barriers, technology and human resources to be successful. The ultimate goal of these efforts should be the complete and total operational security of our southern border. Endless debate about what constitutes a “wall” and who pays for it does little to advance much needed border security. As we discuss border security, we need to remember the importance of addressing our Ports of Entry (POE). POEs are not being discussed enough and are a major vulnerability. We have to ensure security while still supporting the effective flow of legitimate transnational commerce. Commerce with Mexico through the POEs is vital to the economy of the United States and pumps billions into our economy. Allowing Mexican citizens the ability to cross into the United States to engage in legitimate commerce is also vital to the economy of border regions.

    The POEs need better staffing and technology to support the efficient flow of legitimate transnational commerce while having the ability to detect and interdict illegitimate/criminal transnational activity. We should not let partisan politics stand in the way of securing the border. It is clear we have done so for many decades and through several administrations. We need to secure the border for public safety, national security and human rights reasons. The mechanism of how this is done is far less important to Sheriffs than getting it done. The idea that a wall is the only solution because it is permanent is misguided. A wall that is not monitored, enforced or maintained is only an impediment not real security.
     
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    True there maybe a real problem with the transport of *ex slaves being transported across the border which a wall will not stop.
     
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    No i don't and border patrol have stated many times there are not places where a wall is needed that there in need of a technological wall-camaras and infrared technology and drones.not a full wall across the border.
     
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    Yeah exactly that's just the thing. There are places where they are needed and the border patrol is keen on it (it being the use of walls). I am also keen on it. Walls work despite that example being trodded out here to show how we don't need them. To suggest that is ridiculous. That's like people seeing Chicago get cold and saying there is not global warming. No one is suggesting technology isn't useful in keeping drugs and people who don't belong out of the country.
     
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    I assume this is a rhetorical parry to the (very legit) question of why he didn't push this hard for a wall back when Republicans controlled the House. He only got serious about it after the Democrats won the majority there. So, he's telling his base that he did try to get the wall back then but was betrayed by Paul Ryan. It's not at all that rank-and-file Congressional Republicans couldn't muster a majority to vote for it because it's just a bad idea. It's not at all that he didn't want to hurt his and Republicans' electoral chances with some intraparty fighting. It's not at all that he's only pushing for it now to force a concession from the Democrats that he can beat them over the head with in 2020. Nope, everything would have been okay if that now-retired-and-safe-to-criticize Speaker had kept his promises.
     
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    Question with that being said do you also believe there needs to be walls or fencing alone the northern border as well.
     
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    Customs And Border Protection Paid A Firm $13.6 Million To Hire Recruits. It Hired 2

    Border Patrol's biggest problem is they can't find qualified people willing to work for them. They have several thousand vacancies, and there have actually been fewer Border Patrol agents under Trump than Obama, not for lack of trying, but because people move on to other jobs faster than they can recruit.

    If any of you Trumpies want to do your part for the cause and are qualified, they'd love to have you.
     
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    ? Are you saying that Ryan promised to get the wall funded what's your source on that.45 has had the house and senate for 2yrs and did nothing but help the rich get richer if this wall project of his was such a big deal he would have been pushing the buttons over that time frame when the dems couldn't stop it.
     
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    sad that this SCUM POTUS shutdown the govt for 35 days affecting the lives of at least 2M people and whatelse has been affecting in the US and its economy

    just to deflect the blame for despite having 2 years as POTUS with Republican House and Senate,

    1) Not being able to make Mexico pay for a wall he promised
    2) Not being able to build a wall as he promised
     
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    Yea, this factoid isn't contemplated when folks suggest hiring more agents as an alternative to a physical barrier.

    There are huge amounts of vacancies already.
     
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    On the one hand it is a valid point, but on the other, to quote the border patrol agents union:

    Whatever happens, it wont work unless you figure out how to fill the Border Patrol vacancies, wall or no wall. A wall doesn't counter or reduce the need for agents.
     
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    No, I'm not saying that. Trump is saying that. My guess is that Ryan said he'd get the House's vote for Trump if political realities ever allowed it, and they never did. But once you have Democrats as your counter-party, that's the time Trump feels free to make unreasonable demands for campaign fodder.
     
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    CBP probably don't pay enough to make it worth it. Have they considered hiring illegals? Those guys will work hard and never complain about being underpaid!
     
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    He has lied so many times that it is really sad but there are those that are still backing him all one can do is just STH.
     

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