Disturbing. Also how did they get infected? No report of a recent travel to China or being in close contact with someone coming from there. Either the Virus has been spreading all over Japan since 2 weeks ago - which is hard to believe because now we would already have a spike in symptomatic cases- or the most likely is that they got infected themselves in the airport. It seems that its not the planes and flights themselves that are a fertile ground for infections but the airports too.
Oooooh, haha!! I was like.. Seriously overthinking things... Like the example on a 2ndary virus but the signs wouldn't be symptoms afterward.. Blah, well at least it's good break from the thread
Exactly my thoughts/questions too. It's pretty concerning for sure, I'm hoping it's like a small case and like a fluke by chance at the airport and not everyone was infected and it's spreading rapidly etc. Because like you mentioned before on the incubation period/being contagious etc.. I mean if this were ebola you'd have the symptoms and then be contagious at the same time, like the guy who traveled to the states with it but fortunately didn't spread it to anyone on the plane since he wasn't presenting symptoms yet. With this though... I really hope it's a one off and not everyone has it and it's waiting the 14-21 days while still spreading after going to different destinations at the airport/plane... I mean obviously every virus can be a danger in the right setting/mutation/host, but I guess it's still more the information out there or lack of from China, is what makes it a bit more unsettling.
Listen to this from an interview 3 yrs ago ... sounds like the origin was discovered 3 yrs ago. click play to listen or the embedded title to read transcript excerpt Three years ago, NPR accompanied disease ecologist Kevin Olival on a field trip to Malaysian Borneo. Olival, who is with the nonprofit research group EcoHealth Alliance, was there to trap bats and collect samples of their body fluids. He and his collaborators would then test the samples for viruses. Bats are known for carrying some dangerous ones, particularly viruses that have the potential to kick off global outbreaks through what's called "spillovers" — instances of an animal virus jumping into a human. So the researchers were on a hunt for the next big threat. The results of their work put the current coronavirus outbreak in China in a wholly new light. Scientists say it was caused by a spillover event. And the findings from the sample collection project suggest these kinds of spillovers have actually been quietly taking place in China for years.
https://fortune.com/2020/02/20/coronavirus-fecal-transmission/ Fecal transmission may be responsible for coronavirus’s rapid spread
Yeah, this is becoming pretty similar to a lot of viruses (some mentioned earlier, especially Sars).. ie fecal route exists, and I am now betting based on this, that people not exhibiting symptoms (either during incubation or after being cured are continuing to shed the virus from their stool), especially this - "Rectal swabs can detect the pneumonia-causing virus in patients even when conventional oral tests are negative, doctors at the Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital in central China said in a study." and if this is the case the sewage setup in places is doing no favors and then the lack of handwashing by people will cause this to continue to spread - in addition to the other routes. So...... Wash your hands more at a minimum! But cruise ships.... And some plumbing/lack of plumbing in areas isn't going to help, especially in poor sanitation areas. I'll be curious to see how much the spread changes in other locations
Nice find, these spillover events have caused a lot of viruses... while some events can happen... And this one might not have been caused directly by a wet market with exotic animals- I think instead of just stopping markets like that during the epidemic, a permanent stop should occur. And also the whole shark fin thing... It's one thing to eat shark (if you're actually making filets and using the shark and it's not endangered etc. ), but it's another thing entirely to basically kill an animal for their fins and let them drown. That practice is bullshit
@Jontro Remember what I said? South Korea 450 cases in two days. How long before your office and the US implement a travel ban? It will only keep ballooning from here on out, since it is already too late to control it. The carrier has been infecting hundreds of people for 3 weeks now. South Korea is the most representative and truthful case of the situation. They have a developed healthcare system and they dont depend on touristm like Indonesia and Thailand to hide the truth. They dont have to host any Olympics like Japan and they dont have any CCP dictator like China to censor information. For other east Asia countries the **** will have to hit the fan, with people dying in the hundreds for the truth to come to light. No more than a couple of weeks from now.
The South Korea story is crazy Some crazy religious woman refusing to quarantine Goes to church and goes 12 monkeys on them
Yep, but other countries do not have sects that are spreading the virus by refusing treatment for days or weeks, while still attending congregations openly. Probably thinking their Messiah can cure them by touching them. Pretty unique situation itself.
Japan has sects but it has nothing to do with the cult. Asymptomatic carriers whether they believe in a Messiah or not are involved in superspreading events all over. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...woman-shows-why-outbreak-will-be-hard-to-stop If an asymptomatic carrier, attends mass in a perfectly accepted church same they will infect hundreds of people. If they go to the cinema, funerals, festivities, family gatherings, hospital..everywhere where people can come in close contact with each other. Even to their office. In France a perfectly sane asymptomatic carrier managed to infect half a village in the Alps and through him almost 3 elementary schools only by luck escaped. You can remain asymptomatic for two weeks. How many people you can infect if noone wears masks? Hundreds. South Korea, Japan , Thailand , Indonesia and Africa were just forecasted to be the most vulnerable because of their trade and tourism ties with China. The virus is spreading in all these countries but for various reasons we just havent official confirmations. It is only a matter of time.
You are under-selling this a bit. Even if a person is symptomatic, there is a reasonable chance that your symptoms will be light, that you will quickly recover, and that you will not even know you had anything worse than than a bad cold. IIRC experts are saying that those who are infected only have a 10% chance of requiring hospitalization. That comes with the HUGE caveat that the 10% number is highly inflated due an under-reporting of the lightly infected.
Yup. Also many indications that the incubation period is faar longer than 2 weeks. There are recorded cases in published studies that describe incubation of 27 days. This means that even quarantineed or self isolated people can infect others after their 2 weeks isolation is over. Now Italy today 50 confirmed cases with hundreds more suspected with the results pending. Looks like they have a seeding. They cant even trace the contamination chain of index patients. One month ago when the italian media and public were demanding to implement a complete and immediate travel ban, the government and the WHO accused them of fear mongering and racism. "No reason to worry" they said even though Italy has the most Chinese tourists in Europe. Now two deaths already and the blood is in their hands. Good job WHO. Useless, incompetent and irresponsible as usual.
