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Yao's teammates should learn how to play with Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Bobliu, Nov 3, 2003.

  1. Bobliu

    Bobliu Member

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    instead of Yao learning how to play with his teammates. It is key that you learn how to play with the big guy in the middle. Shorter guys are usually more flexible and quicker to change and to fit in than 7 footers. So it should not be the other way around. Magic learnt quick and well how to play with Jarbar; the dream did not have to adjust to his teammates which include HOF'mers; Penny and then Kobe had to learn how to play with Shaq; ... it has all happened in the history of the NBA. It is happening now. Let's take the Lakers for example, Malone and Payton declared as soon as they signed with the Lakers that they will feed the big guy. They are adjusting quickly how to play with Shaq at this right moment.

    Why is it so difficult for a couple of guards who have never won anything in this league to adjust their game to fit in with a good center?
     
  2. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Are these the houston rockets or YaoMings? Yao has to make adjustments too.
     
  3. arkoe

    arkoe (ง'̀-'́)ง

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    It takes two to tango... or something like that.
     
  4. Texas Stoke

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    All they need to do is grow some balls and relax and learn how to execute a freaking lob pass for once in their lifes.

    Burn the stupid b*stard who think they can get away with fronting a player who is 7 inches taller than he is. If I have the ball in my hands, dont front my skills and decision making by fronting Yao in the post while im trying to get the ball to him because I will burn your ass with a precise lob pass up high and over your 6-9 ass everytime. But they are doing it, and other teams will now do it, because they know Moochie, Francis, and Mobley are incapable of making them pay for it.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Yes you're right. Time and time again the guards called ISO plays on Saturday night and just ignored Yao; never looked for him at all. I think in one stretch they ran like 56 straight ISO's

    Oh wait, that didn't happen. Sorry. Maybe they can learn to run and shove Yao's man aside to help him get position since he can't do it by himself.
     
  6. codell

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    It was only 49 straight times. Get your stuff right. :rolleyes:
     
  7. acrophobia98

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    Haha. That was not right either. Among them were TO and missed shots without ISO.

    :D
     
  8. Roc Paint

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    It takes two to make a Ming go right. :)
     
  9. thegary

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    bad things:
    1. ming is not the most dominant player in the game- he needs work.
    2. francis and mobley did ignore yao on many occasions vs. grizz.
    3. memphis dominated the game physically, they outworked us.

    good thing:
    1. there are 80 games left.
     
  10. ima_drummer2k

    ima_drummer2k Member

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    That was pretty damn funny! :D
     
  11. sabonis

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    I would be shocked if it was Yao that wasn't making the adjustments. Stevie has played well from what I have seen, but Cuttino continues to be Cuttino. I think JVG is giving the team time to adapt to the new offensive schemes. I believe that after 15 games or so, if there are still players not working well within his gameplan, you'll start to see some shift in playing time (Yao and SF excluded)

    Or possibly a trade. Either Cuttino Mobley becomes a tecerary player taking shots within the offense or I see him getting traded for a decent PF/C to shore up the bench (though Braggs looks like a solid PF).

    Stuart
     
  12. GATER

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    Your logic has some fundamental defects. First, you are assuming Yao already knows everything he should know about proper low post positioning. Unfortunately, he does not.

    Secondly, you are assuming that the only prerequisite for a low post game is the desire of teammates to mentally defer to the low post player. It is much more complex than that.

    If you have never played with a dominant low post player, you must learn to get the ball to them in the proper place at the proper time. Given that there are so few dominant big men in both the NBA and college ball, the lack of experience in this aspect is understandable. There are few Shaq's, Akeem's, Mournings, Robinson's, Mutombo's, Sampson's or Ewing's in today's college game...almost all are wing players. Yao is closer in physical gifts to these players than he is the 7 footers of today...Garnett, Nowitski, Darko.

    Magic was a new comer to Jabbar's team. It was easier (expected) to defer. Jabbar (Lew Alcindor) played 4 years of basketball under one of the greatest college basketball coaches ever - UCLA's John Wooden. Jabbar was as fundamentally sound as he could have been long before Magic joined the NBA.

    Shaq played college ball for 2 years prior to going pro and is a freak of nature to be so big and so athletic. He is a throwback to the era of dominant centers.

    In short, you post suggests an unwillingness to involve low post players when reality is probably much closer to inability.
     
  13. Hippieloser

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    I've been thinking about this too, GATER, and I agree with you. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that even point guards like the cummed-over Jason Kidd seem to be at their best when they're passing to players on the move, men "playing without the ball." Yao isn't this type of player; as you said, his game is more of a throwback to the centers of the past who thrived in a non-zone defense environment. I think it's true that our guards have never had to develop their passing skills to the point it took to defeat the style of defense Memphis played us with, not only because they have been the primary option on all their teams since junior high but because they've never played with a big man with the skillset of Ming and only recently (last couple years) began to have to deal with the zone. We seem to forget that the zone was reinstituted almost solely to break up the insane dominance of Shaq, who you mentioned as perhaps the last great center. I'm interested to see if Jeff Van Gundy and our guards will be able to overcome the deficiencies in getting the ball to the low post that all of these circumstances have caused, and I wonder how much better even a "great" passer could do with the second-year Ming with his style of play. Better than Francis at this point, almost certainly, but well enough to make Ming into a monster in his second year? I'm skeptical. It'll be interesting to see how the season goes.
     
  14. shawn786

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    No, it isnt difficult at all IF THEY GET TIME. Gezz give these guys a break. I personaly think there doin a damn good job in getting Yao the ball sure it could b better but that will com in time. So stop your b****in n let these guys play, damn im tyered of all these Yao lovers. MAYBE Yao should learn how to get inside position more. Y dosnt any1 btivh about Yao's play ?? All i hear is Yao is the KING and give everyhin to him. NOOO he needs much improvment tooo & yes 1 day he might b the KING but that daisnt today. but LIKE I SAID ITLL COM IN TIME !
     
  15. mag

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    Our guards suck!
    I could not believe they were trying to give bounce passes to Yao when he is a lot taller than the players guarding him. I just think our guards are not smart!
     
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    Write back when Yao becomes as dominent as Shaq, Jabar or the Dream
     
  17. Yetti

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    Sam Fisher, Codell, Texas Stroke and Yetti all seeing it the same way at the same time. Remarkable!
     

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