The article is very long, dense and well researched and documented. Of course the usual suspects will dismiss it as the latest conspiracy theory, but there's a lot of information that gives one pause. All I know is that I will never vote by an electronic voting machine. I'll vote absentee or on a paper ballot before I use a machine that cannot verify my vote, ever! ------------- Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House. BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen
Putting aside those concerns with the methods of voting, there is not one person who can honestly argue that there was not a concerted effort in Ohio to prevent (or make substantially more difficult) certain demographic groups from voting. The number of machines in precincts is a quantifiable number that only the most ardent party zealot could bend in an argument against the obvious. Regardless of your political leaning or affiliation, what happened in Ohio is unAmerican. What scares me is that there were so many people in Ohio and across the US who supported and actively participated in these actions.
Seriously, how long are you going to be crying sour grapes over your loss in the 2004 election? Get over yourselves.
The point I'm making is that it's OUR loss. Anytime people aren't allowed to vote, particularly when it stems from a coordinated effort diminishes us all.
I have to side with BigTexx on this one. I just find it hard to believe that no credible media source has raised more furor over this. The Democratic Party is a powerful entity and I have to believe that they have the intellectual and financial resources to conduct a full investigation. In fact, they probably have and if any "right-wing consipracy" was unearthed, I am sure they would made a fuss about it.
texxx I realize history will not be changed, but as rim said even the appearance of impropriety is blight on America and our whole voting process. Are you comfortable with using a machine to cast a vote that can't be verified?
If there was wrongdoing going on then I want to eliminate the possibility of that in the future. I want all votes to count. I all Americans to be able to vote. I want neither party to be able to rig an election. 2000 and 2004 are in the past, but I want 2008 to be fair.
I'm only halfway through page one of the four page article and I had to stop reading because it was literally making me sick. Today's Republican leadership seems to be comprised solely of thieves, cheats and liars. They are enemies of democracy and they should be removed from office. And I'm just as pissed at the Democratic Party and the media for laying down while our democracy was blatantly thwarted by a bunch of crooks. As usual, Bush supporters here will cover their eyes and plug their ears, refusing as usual to even consider the evidence if it makes their side look bad. That sort of partisanship is the ugliest our system of government ever engenders and those that engage in it are enemies of democracy as well. "Steal a lot and they make you king," indeed.
if I remember correctly from my college days election fraud is still a major problem on both sides. wasn't there some controversy in new mexico where dead people were voting for the democrats back in 2000?
I'm sure it is a problem on both sides (a lot of people believe the Kennedy election was stolen and I'm not inclined to doubt it) and it should be investigated and prosecuted on both sides, but this is unprecedented. Have you read the article?
The GOP is so much better at presidential politics it's unbelievable. Willie Horton, the ACLU, flag burning, Swift Boat Veterans, etc. Why the weakfish Dems stand there and take it election after election is beyond me. Obviously the GOP isn't more competent at governing, so why are they so much smarter than the Dems on the national level when it comes to presidential campaigns? Can someone pleeeeeease explain this to me? My instinctive reaction without reading the article is skepticism because this is just coming out now. I'll post again after reading it. Batman, I insult the Republican party quite often at work and with friends. But saying "today's Republican leadership seems to be comprised solely of thieves, cheats and liars" is a bit much. If the Dem leaders were savvy enough to control all 3 branches like the GOP does now, they would be every bit as corrupted by their power. (I say that because Tom DeLay is now gone. He was a special case).
I'm not surprised a certain person doesn't care that tens and thousands of African-Americans lost their right to vote.
