US missiles strike Pakistan

yeah....how dare they kill bad guys

 

If we have to go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden. We do it. McCain doesn't think it's in national security's best interests.

 

What innocents? It was a sanctuary for Islamist militants.

 

I know you're a desi who sympathizes with Pakistan but I am sorry to say but that government had over 7 years now to fix this problem at the Afghan border but they have been unable to stop these militant groups. Pakistan has no sovereignty in an area where it can even properly maintain law and order.

 

I remember Obama suggesting we attack Pakistan to get Bin Laden before even Bush did attacks on them. This was when he was campaigning back against Hillary as well and was ridiculed for having the balls to say it.

 

Makes no sense. You can't just attack anyone anywhere. It's like a Canadian chasing someone (not Canadian or American) into America and stabbing him to death. What happens in this scenario?

 

Actually it's not like that it all. It's as if you were chasing someone into a territory where America chose not to govern by rule of law. These areas where strikes are occuring are tribal areas in which Pakistan chooses not to govern.

 

A better example would be Pancho Villa in Mexico.

The fundamental difference between the Pakistan and the Canada/USA scenario is that Pakistan has an official policy of not exercising direct sovereignty over the FATA.

 

If Pakistan is not going to control their own country....tough cookies.

DD

 

I am seriously conflicted.

On one hand I see a moral problem with us killing poor people with robot planes shooting GPS guided missles.

On the other hand, I find it AWESOME that we are killing terrorist with ROBOT PLANES THAT SHOOT GPS GUIDED MISSLES!

 

McCain '08!



Oh... wait.

 

The truth of the matter is, whether you guys see it or not, this crap is just creating new enemies against the US. Think about it, your a kid living a block down from the house that was destroyed; you may not know the justification of the attacks but what you do know is that the AMERICANS were responsible for death and destruction in YOUR neighborhood. They came and they left a wake of destruction. This plants the seeds of hatred in you and once a overly charismatic mullah shows up preaching the same things that have been churning inside you for so long, you become the evil you fight so hard to cleanse yourself of.

Deep down inside I want this BS to be eradicated outright. But you cannot ignore the fact that this cycle keeps continuing.

Why doesn't the Pakistani Govt do something about the crap that the ENTIRE world knows originates from their backyard? Why doesn't the US govt impose strict and immense sanctions against Pakistan to force the talking heads to do something? Why doesn't the Pakistani govt understand that their terrorist nursery should not be ignored/protected b/c enough of your own ppl are just as ignorant and naive as the terrorists; You think you are upholding the tenants of your religion when you do nothing against the REAL forces acting against your religion, the extremists.

The terrorists claim the western world is the enemy because of their lifestyle choices, their social norms, their livelihoods, etc. But what each and every damn one fails to realize is that the West is not the problem. There have and always will be people who choose to live the polar opposite of the basic guidelines of religion. The biggest enemy to Islam IS the terrorist. You cannot go around and bastardize the religion to such a point that even is the Prophet Muhammad were to listen to what you preach, even he wouldn't call you a Muslim.

The Quran explicitly preaches tolerance. La Convivencia in Spain from 711-1492 is historical proof that there IS another way. That way worked, until intolerance and extremism superceded rational thinking.

Forgive my long rant, but I am just sick and tired of what is happening to my religion. Let me make myself clear: I am NOT defending Islam. Islam needs no defending. What those terrorists practice and preach is NOT Islam.

Fix the problem where it starts: build up your infrastructure and strengthen your schools, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

I didn't know that.

But still, if I managed to go there and slaughtered someone I didn't like, and I managed to get out. You're saying I wouldn't be accountable? What if I was chasing a cat with a bazooka? or if I didn't prove that the person I killed "deserved" to be killed?

The act makes sense in that Pakistan is not controlling that area, and that area may be scheming against the U.S. .

However, if the action was appropriate is a different story altogether. It was an Al Qaida middle man and a bunch of people who died for walking around him.

It's easy to say "we have to do it" from behind our computers - and I have been guilty of that myself - but it's not until we see with our own eyes the innocent people blown up "for the cause" that we realize the seriousness of the situation.

 

Hey, I'm as concerned with the implications of"collateral damage" as anyone but this is a battle brought to us by a gang of killers who've sworn to destroy us and actuality is that we do far more than they do to ensure that innocents aren't harmed.

It should be well known by now that if you're actually hanging around terrorists then you're flat out risking your life. It's a tragedy that women and children will die because of that but unfortunately that has and always will be the reality of war.

 

I can't agree with that. You're rationale justifies the 9/11 attack. War is not an agreement, it is a declaration. So just because Al Qaida declared war and attacked you doesn't justify them killing innocent people.

If it is becoming such a way that innocent people are being calculated as a ratio to the greater cause, that is disgusting. What are you going to say if you are standing face to face with Osama Bin Laden and he asks how come it's ok for you to kill innocent people but not for him?

We can't let it become ok for innocent people to die, because that would mean suicide bombings and terrorist attacks are ok as long as it's "worth it".

The line must be drawn somewhere.

 

But this is what war is. The Iraq war had innocent people dying. The World Wars did. Vietnam. Basically every war in history has innocents dying. The primary difference between terrorism and war is the intentional targetting of innocents.

I'm not suggesting what happened was good or bad, but it's no different than dropping bombs on cities in Germany or England in WW2 to destroy supply lines.

 

I am sorry, but I didn't see anywhere in the article that said those 15-20 people were innocent people. It said Islamist militants.