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Obama: Capps and Charades

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Aug 27, 2009.

  1. basso

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    much of the inspiration for this post comes from reporting done by the weekly standard., and we can begin with Presidebt Obama's contention that:

    "Some are also saying that coverage for abortions would be mandated under reform. Also false. When it comes to the current ban on using tax dollars for abortions, nothing will change under reform."

    in fact, check:

    "As for the House bill as it stands now, it’s a matter of fact that it would allow both a "public plan" and newly subsidized private plans to cover all abortions."

    Comes now Representative Bart Stupak, Michigan Democrat, via Time, who contends the President is either lying, or ignorant:

    The Commander in Chief has, of late, become something of a fact checker in chief. In town halls, interviews and meetings with interest groups, President Barack Obama repeatedly harps on what he calls the "myths" and "fabrications" about health-care reform.

    The list runs from "death panels," which have not been proposed by Congress, to illegal immigrants, who would not get coverage under the current proposals, even though 55% of Americans believe otherwise, according to a recent poll. The President also routinely mentions the issue of abortion. "You've heard that this is all going to mean government funding of abortion," Obama said recently in a call to religious leaders. "Not true."

    But this last statement, while technically correct, does not tell the whole story. The health-care reform proposed by House Democrats, if enacted, would in fact mark a significant change in the Federal Government's role in the financing of abortions. "It would be a dramatic shift," says Representative Bart Stupak, a Michigan Democrat who has vowed to oppose the bill because of how it would affect abortion. Stupak says dozens of House Democrats may join him in opposing a final health-care compromise unless the abortion language is changed, presenting a clear challenge to Democratic vote counters that could imperil a party-line vote. [...]

    "We are going to do everything we can to stop the rule, or the bill, from coming to the floor," [Democratic Congressman Bart] Stupak says, adding that as many as 39 Democratic members of Congress may join him in the effort. It remains unclear how the Senate will deal with the abortion issue. There is also no consensus within the Democratic Party about whether a public option should be included in final health-care-reform legislation.

    In the meantime, Stupak says that Obama's statements during recent public events signal one of two things: either he does not fully understand the current House bill, which Stupak maintains has the effect of publicly funding abortion, or "if he is aware of it, and he is making these statements, then he is misleading people."

    for the record, i oppose abortions, ut not because Jesus, or Obama told me to (ultrasound took care of that). Obama, much like his wide stance on gay marriage, is either trying to keep abortion funding on the down low, willfully misleading the american people, or he's ignorant of the bill before him.

    neither is an attractive prospect to contemplate.
     
  2. Major

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    Or perhaps Obama wasn't referring to a specific House bill that hasn't even made it to the floor.
     
  3. Nook

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    HEY..... don't let the facts get in the way buddy......
     

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