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[NYT] Prison Restricts Inmates' Right to Nerd Out

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  1. JuanValdez

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/us/27dungeons.html

    [rquoter]January 27, 2010
    Dungeons & Dragons Prison Ban Upheld
    By JOHN SCHWARTZ
    Prisons can restrict the rights of inmates to nerd out, a federal appeals court has found.

    In an opinion issued on Monday, a three-judge panel of the Chicago-based Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals hexed a lawsuit challenging a ban on the game of Dungeons & Dragons by the Waupun Correctional Institution in Wisconsin.

    The suit was brought by a prisoner, Kevin T. Singer, who argued that his First Amendment and 14th Amendment rights were violated by the prison’s decision to ban the game and confiscate his books and other materials — including a 96-page handwritten manuscript he had created for the game.

    Mr. Singer, “a D&D enthusiast since childhood,” according to the court’s opinion, was sentenced to life in prison in 2002 for bludgeoning and stabbing his sister’s boyfriend to death.

    Prison officials said they banned the game at the recommendation of the prison’s specialist in gangs, who said it could lead to gang behavior and fantasies about escape.

    The game could “foster an inmate’s obsession with escaping from the real-life correctional environment, fostering hostility, violence and escape behavior,” prison officials said in court. That could make it more difficult to rehabilitate prisoners and could endanger public safety, they said.

    The court acknowledged that there was no evidence of marauding gangs spurred to their acts of destruction by swinging imaginary mauls, but it ruled nonetheless that the prison’s decision was “rationally related” to legitimate goals of prison administration.

    “We are pleased with the ruling,” said John Dipko, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Department of Corrections, who added that the prison rules “enable us to continue our mission of keeping our state safe.”

    News of the decision spread quickly though the network of blogs that discuss such games and to those devoted to the law, where many commentators revealed perhaps more of their own history as gamers than they might have intended. On The Volokh Conspiracy, a legal blog, a particularly rollicking discussion ensued, kicked off with a post by Ilya Somin, an associate professor of law at George Mason University, who asked, “Should prisons ban ‘The Count of Monte Cristo’ on the grounds that it might encourage escape attempts?”

    In an interview, Professor Somin said the prison’s action was reminiscent of a media frenzy in the 1980s surrounding the supposedly deleterious effects of gaming. “Ideally, you should really have more evidence that there is a genuine harm before you restrict something,” he said.

    The comments following Professor Somin’s post ranged from hoots of outrage over the ban to constitutionally nuanced discussion, but they showed that there were a lot of lawyers out there who owned a pouch with some dice of more than six sides. And none of them seemed to think that the risk to America’s prisons could be found in the works of Gary Gygax or other creators of the genre.

    As Andrew Oh-Willeke, a lawyer in Denver, wrote, “If more inmates were über-nerdy D&D players, life would be good.”[/rquoter]

    D&D nerds, help me out. Do you think D&D could promote gangs or escape fantasies among prisoners? If so, do prison officials really need to worry about an escape plot that involves Elven Boots and a Dimension Door?
     
  2. Depressio

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    What?! Prisoners aren't allowed to have fun?! WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO!!!??
     
  3. Convictedstupid

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    There is never gang violence in prison, theyre just LARPing.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    I once critical hit a lvl 75 warden with three 20-faced dice.

    The Amazon tossed my Warrior salad for that feat.
     
  5. professorjay

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    I'm sure they could find an (uncomfortable) place to hide the dice and still play.
     
  6. Oski2005

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    Prisoners fantasizing about escaping, who's ever heard of such a thing?
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    The people they murdered can't play board games so they shouldn't either.
     
  8. Cowboy_Bebop

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    They need to put these guys in chain gang and let them clean sewage systems or something. These guys are having too much fun in prison.
     
  9. thadeus

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    Banning a game because it might inspire "gang activity" must be a lot easier than dealing with all the actual gang activity that is already there.
     
  10. RedRedemption

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    It's hard to imagine that hardened inmates would play games like D&D. :eek:
     
  11. meh

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    Wait, so if inmates aren't spending their time playing D&D, what are they doing?

    I guess the state answer is

    Not trying to escape
    Not trying to cause violence
    Not trying to form gangs
    Not trying to be hostile to each other

    Yeah, without some form of entertainment, I'm sure all prisoners will spend their time being good little boys spending time in peace and quiet.
     
  12. BetterThanEver

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    They are making love, which is more peaceful than planning an violent escape with D&D buddies.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    Good God, D&D is not a board game!
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    I'm just imagining the dude from the green mile playing as the dwarf or something and getting really pissed off and choke slamming the dungeon master after failing on his 10th saving throw in a row.
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    Well prison is just like D & D with the warden as the Dungeon Master, the head of the White Aryan gang as the dragon, and the shower the dungeon where you have to avoid getting impaled by someone's sword.
     
  16. Master Baiter

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    Yeah, because everyone in jail murdered someone. :rolleyes:
     
  17. CrazyDave

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    That's a weak argument/standard. Should they not breathe either? how about eat? Prisoners already are allowed certain types of passtimes/entertainment, why should THIS one be banned? Because they might "fantasize" about escape? Inane.

    This I agree with, but would still say that occupying the minds of jailed criminals with a "board game" has got to be a good thing. Maybe they should let them play "life" where you get a paycheck, have a family etc. While murderers enjoying themselves with some leisure time is offensive on certain levels, I fail to see how allowing them in their 'down' time to play a game is problematic, while I also feel the down time should be minimal.
     

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