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  1. ROXRAN

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    So...Obama is incoherent sometimes.

    Eh, beats having a president that is incoherent all the time. The great American nation improves itself once again!
     
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    I think most politicians have moments of incoherence and squirming.

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    Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.

    She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses. In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use before his arrival on the scene.)

    I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful here to understand Palin's message. In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision.

    Look at what she stands for:

    --Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism.

    --Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair America's image abroad.

    --Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't need to be heeded.

    --Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.

    --Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.

    --"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who doesn't fit your ideology.

    Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical, that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat. The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, Jack," and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress. The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their own good. The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness.
    Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum. The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives possess a shadow -- we all do. So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? No one can predict. The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state we are in. We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.

    mike from Arlington
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    You think?....LMAO....All we needed was for some wheelchair bound person being asked to "stand up!"....LOL!!!!

    Obama's got me fired up and ready to go!!!!!
     
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    I like your signature..

    I hope she would be the HOTTEST since she's the only woman VP nominee ever. ;)

    However, successful leadership? Of what, Alaska? Smooth sailing in (nothing-ever-happens)Alaska doesn't mean she's ready to lead the US.
     
  7. SWTsig

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    look at the f****** economy... if you can sit here and watch the american company implode under the conservative mantra of trickle-down economics, i dont know what else to tell.

    keep hiding behind this trivial nonsense and watch this country burn while the republicans keep playing.
     
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    I think it's safe to say ALOT of people in this country right now are hurting. Yeah rich people only care about themselves but you've got to look at the well-being of the country. THAT is what is patriotic. Not this other crap.
     
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    Wrong, youngin'...
     

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