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House Votes to Authorize Boehner to Sue Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Jul 31, 2014.

  1. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    http://online.wsj.com/articles/house-votes-to-authorize-boehner-to-sue-obama-1406760762

    So the republicans don't like obamacare, but they are suing so they can make it come sooner?

    I think Democrats should have pushed harder for Single payer system. I think obamacare is pretty much a republican plan.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Obama made the change because the launch was so rough that strict enforcement of the law was going to cause a problem. Republicans want it to have problems, so of course they're going to pursue strict application of the law. But, it sounds to me like they have a good argument. I don't think a president should be able to play so fast and loose with the enforcement of laws enacted by the legislature. I'm glad he did because I want Obamacare to succeed, and by flouting the language of the law he bought the system some time, but there also has to be a reckoning somewhere to check presidential power. I suppose I hope Obama loses after a long, drawn-out case.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Can't make this **** up!

    One day after suing the president for executive action the house punts on a border bill and tells the president he has the authority to use executive action on the border crises.

    Boehner's congress is a joke.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    They have a terrible legal argument because they have no standing.

    They have even worse political argument because even if they are successful legally, the logical remedy is further implementation of the law that they are allegedly trying to save us from.

    This is purely a move to forestall the crazies from dragging themselves and the party down with impeachment around midterms. But Boehner is bungling it as usual. Though maybe if they it's hard to say what the proper course for him is as ringmaster of the crazies
     
  5. Major

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    I don't think they have a good legal argument. The Executive Branch exists to implement laws, and they've always had practical flexibility in doing so. The delay was, in part, because systems weren't in place to actually implement it - so it would have been arguably impossible to implement on time. Bush similarly delayed parts of Medicare D expansion and admins have always dealt with delays and adjustments when implementing new programs or departments. Amusingly, the House *wanted* Obama to also delay the individual mandate at the time, even using executive power to do so. They didn't seem to have a problem with that.

    Beyond that, I'm not sure the remedy here even if the House wins the suit. The case won't conclude until well after the requirement is already in place.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/201...ed-the-enrollment-period-for-medicare-part-d/

    In May of 2006, just days before the end of open enrollment, President Bush took administrative action towaive “penalty fees for very low-income seniors and people with disabilities who sign up late” and allowed “the same impoverished beneficiaries to sign up for Medicare drug coverage until Dec. 31.”

    “In other words, you can apply after May 15th without penalty,” Bush told seniors during an event in Florida. “And that’s important for low-income seniors to understand.”
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Soo . . in the end . . . it is Political Theater

    Rocket River
    Where's the popcorn . . .enjoy the show
     
  7. edwardc

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    If they were too do there jobs this waste of time wouldn't be called for suing the president just nonsense.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    Goverment has little interesting in governing.
    It is mostly postering and lining their own pockets

    What is BEST for America comes a VERY DISTANT 4th or 5th

    Rocket River
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    The legislative branch of the government should worry about legislating. Is that too much to ask for these days?
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    There is a reason why Congress has a lower approval rating than gonorrhea.
     
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  11. Rocketman95

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    And Jar Jar ****ing Binks.
     
  12. larsv8

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    Clown show continues.
     
  13. RedRedemption

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    Obama should have pushed single payer or universal.
     
  14. mdrowe00

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    Who were the Republicans who voted against going forward with the suit?
     
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    I agree completely. AHCA is a boon to the insurance companies and ultimately isn't affordable. Plus it is huge complex incomprehensible mess that may never be sorted out. Many parts will have to be repealed because they are so unworkable. A means tested "Medicare" for all plan would have been best.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Wise politicians try to pass legislation because they have something good to pass; Foolish politicians because they have to try to and pass something.

    We got just "something" instead of "something good"
     
  18. Major

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    Examples?
     
  19. edwardc

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    Can't argue with that this is just sad its time to change what there doing.
     
  20. Bandwagoner

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    A sitting president can shut down any lawsuit or criminal investigation right? Outside of impeachment aren't they legally untouchable?
     

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