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Hey, Bima - Talk Kicker

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by xiki, Jan 31, 2010.

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  1. xiki

    xiki Member

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    Hey, BT - since you likely know the definitive answer:

    When a player has a trade kicker is it automatic and required that the player 'accept' it or can he decline it if he wants to go to the team to which he is traded (or get away from the team trading him)?

    Obviously this is related to the Dalembaert 'issue' and whether it could be worked out between 6ers/Rox or Rox/3rd team.

    Thanks for your knowledge...x...
     
  2. studogg

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    I'm not bima, but maybe i can help.

    here is larry coon discussing the old garnett trade kicker. he does mention that Garnett can waive some or all of it.

    http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/06/30/larry-coon-explains-garnetts-trade-kicker/

    and this is directly from the LC FAQ's

     
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  3. xiki

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  4. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    Yep. Honestly, there is very little I know about the salary cap that I haven't gleaned from Larry Coon's FAQs. If you have a salary cap question, there's a good chance that a perusal of those FAQs will answer it.

    And on the subject of Dalembert, there is no way in hell he waives his trade kicker. First of all, the salaries will match just fine in a McGrady deal, with or without the trade kicker, so there is no necessity for him to waive it in order for the deal to be feasible under the salary cap. Second, he's not wild about the idea of being traded from Philly, so he's not likely to want to waive it to help grease the skids to his dismissal from the Sixers.

    If the Rockets trade McGrady or a Iguodala/Dalembert package, get ready to have to pay (well, watch Les pay) Sam $2.58M right away and have to deal with his cap figure increasing to about $14.2M next season. I'm sure that Les would just LOVE knowing that he'll probably be paying a total of about $25M or so in salary and taxes to have Dalembert on the roster next year.
     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    PEOPLE NEED TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS!

    sorry for the caps but this getting old. bad trade.
     
  6. xiki

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    So, if he were instantly flipped the acquiring team is responsible for the kicker, making a flip yet more unlikely...yes? Of course yes.
     
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    I'm not saying the Sixers would do it, but can't Morey demand that they pay Houston what the kicker costs in a deal, in order to get what they want? We can send up the $3 million to them, and they can do the same going the other way.
     
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    It would need to be a three-team deal that lands Dalembert with another team in order for the Rockets to avoid having to pay the trade kicker. If it is two separate trades, even if the second comes immediately after the first, then Houston has to pay the trade kicker.

    Sure, I suppose that Philly could throw in up to $3M to offset the $2.58M trade kicker. But this doesn't account for the added luxury tax that Les will have to pay. Also, it may also mean that the Rockets won't be able to get below the tax with just a Cook plus cash deal, meaning that it'll cost Les another $4-5M in lost tax revenues. Not to mention that the trade kicker will also increase Dalembert's 2010-11 cap figure by another $1.3M, costing Les another $2.6M in salary and tax next year (let alone lost tax revenues if it otherwise prevents him from dropping below the tax threshold).

    All in all, that trade kicker alone will likely cost Les Alexander a total of about $7-8M minimum. I don't think Philly including even the max of $3M cash in the trade is enough to make Les willing to swallow that.
     

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