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Gas Bank? I wish they have one at my place

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  1. pirc1

    pirc1 Member

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    Sounds like a good idea with the way gas is going these days. If I was paying 2 dollars a gallon right now that's like a 50% investment return!

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    ST. CLOUD, Minn. - Most motorists are feeling the pain as gasoline creeps toward, or over, $3 a gallon — but not Art Altrichter.


    "This feels pretty good!" Altrichter said as he filled the tank of his Ford F-150 pickup for $2.03 a gallon on Thursday, when the average here was $2.73. "Right now, to be a few pennies over $2, when it's as high as it is? That's a real deal."

    A year ago, the retired milk truck driver bought 500 gallons of gas at First Fuel Banks, locking it in at the then-current price of $2.03 a gallon. He taps that reserve whenever gas rises above that mark. If the retail price drops below $2.03, he can leave his reserve alone and buy elsewhere.

    First Fuel Banks bills itself as the only retailer in the country where customers can buy gasoline for the future and hedge against rising prices. It advertises no service charge and no storage charge, just a $1 lifetime membership fee.

    Altrichter said one of his neighbors got in at First Fuel Banks several years ago and is now is withdrawing from a reserve that cost him 99 cents a gallon. "How about that!" he said.

    Both people and businesses buy gas from the company, which has six stations in and around this central Minnesota city. The city of St. Cloud fills its fleet of cars at the company's stations.

    The program is open to anyone who drives off the street. Customers buy whatever amount they want at the current price — the most ever purchased in advance was $400,000 worth — then swipe a card and key in a PIN number when they draw from their reserve.

    Chief executive Jim Feneis, who runs the company with his brother, Dan Feneis, said 300 of its members are still filling up with gas that cost them less than a buck a gallon as recently as 2002. Many more are locked in under $2.

    "We're offering a pretty attractive concept to the savvy buyer," Feneis said.

    Each station has a 50,000-gallon tank for each grade of gasoline — regular, mid-grade and premium — compared with 6,000 to 8,000 gallons for each product at a typical convenience store, Feneis said.

    That's enough capacity to handle short-and medium-term demand, he said. For people holding onto reserves for a year or longer, the company hedges its obligations by buying gasoline futures contracts on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

    First Fuel Banks started with a single station in 1982 and now has about 8,000 members, Feneis said. It makes its money just by selling gasoline, diesel and some specialty fuels since its stations aren't convenience stores. He said it has less than 5 percent of the St. Cloud area market. But he said it's just one part of a larger business, East Side Oil Co., that has other divisions such as oil recycling.

    "Our 43-year-old family fuel business is happy, healthy and completely debt-free," Feneis said. "And I think we're definitely the minority."

    A few other stations in the country have tried a similar approach, but none have succeeded, he said.

    Lance Klatt, executive director of the Minnesota Service Station and Convenience Store Association, can understand why: price volatility and risk.

    "There's no margins anyway" in the gasoline business, said Klatt.

    It was a new idea to Ron Planting, an economist with the American Petroleum Institute in Washington. "But in the Northeast and maybe elsewhere there are heating oil dealers that do something similar with a customer who wants to lock in a price for the current heating season," he said.

    Sheila Hallerman learned about First Fuel Banks when she received a gift card a year ago, and a few months ago she bought 100 gallons at $2.40.

    "It still hurts," she said of shelling out more than $2 for a gallon. "But not as much as it could."

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    Associated Press Writer Steve Karnowski contributed to this story from Minneapolis
     
  2. Mr. Brightside

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    Good idea they have going over there. But the million dollar question is would you be locking in gas prices at current rates?
     
  3. MadMax

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    good question. i may be the freak here, but i don't think they're gonna go above where they are and stay there for any significant period of time. i don't wanna be locked in at even $2.50/gallon.
     
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    We will all be wishing it was 2.80 or what ever it is currently at your place in a few years when it is at 4.00 :eek:
     
  5. MadMax

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    see, i don't see this happening. again, maybe i'll be wrong. but oil prices are falling even with the iranian threat. i'm assuming there will be a peaceful resolution to that and prices will begin dropping even faster.
     
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    But With China and India taking bigger and bigger shares of the global oil output, the price has no where to go but up.
     
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    You have all the financial tools to do exactly what this gas bank is doing. All they're doing is buying/selling futures contracts and/or options on the price of gasoline to lock in today's current prices for the future. Just go to a site like eminidirect, HedgeStreet (crappy liquidity there, though), or even Tradesports (there you can trade futures on oil prices - not a perfect correlation with gasoline prices, but close). Any site/exchange where you can trade futures would work. Also you could hedge it with options through most online brokerages, although you'd likely have to set up a margin account if you don't have one already.

    I'm sure that gas bank is making a killing off those folks in commission charges or some crazy transaction fees. The $1 annual membership they charge sounds like a red herring to me.

    Man, I ought to start up my own gas bank in Houston on the side...anybody want to lock in today's gas price for the future?? I'll hook you up with reasonable commissions... :cool:
     
  8. MadMax

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    unless, of course, demand in the western world goes down because of new technologies. or oil is easier/cheaper to extract/refine because of new technologies. or a million other factors.

    we've been overestimating china/india demand on oil for years now.
     
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    If new technology kicks in, then it is a totally different story. If for example, hydrogen fuel packs is placed on every car for the cheap, oil price will take a huge dive. I cann't wait for the day that middle east have no power left due to cheap alternative fuel sources.
     
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    this is my problem with this argument. new technology always kicks in. we always adapt. there's too much at stake for us not to.

    more hybrids on the road would make a big difference. that's technology that's out there, but just needs to be made more affordable.
     
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    You are right, new technology will be always be implemented. But widespread saturation of this new technology in the car market will take at least 10 years minimum. Thats a long time.
     
  12. MadMax

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    absolutely!!! it is a long time. but we don't have supply problems right now. if we're making progress every year that's a good thing.

    fear is driving this stuff right now. not supply problems. fear. fear with iran. fear with nigeria. if we come to a diplomatic solution with iran, i promise you that price will come down quickly.
     
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    maybe a start of some dialogue with iran.
     
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