Expectations of Privacy

I might be mistaken, but isn't the "right" to privacy derived from the right to property?

 

I don't equate my happiness with anything man-made.

Also, I'm the happiest when I'm without expectations.

Hence, no expectations!

RR

 

Sort of but more specific is the 4th amendment and the right to be free from unreasonable searches (hence privacy expectations) Also, the 14th amendment extends that right to everyone, hence a universal expectation of privacy.

 

with modern technology and today's state (from terrorism to marketing/research firms) people should expect less privacy.

 

No, people should expect their constitutional rights to be guarded. What an absurd attitude, with all due respect.



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oooo...pick me! I know the right answer!!!

"If you have nothing to hide, why should you be concerned about privacy???"

Only terrorists are afraid of the FBI listening in on them, right?

 

ok, but its realistic and it isnt going to get any better. I can google earth your house, look up how much your house is worth, find all your past addresses and phone numbers, depending on where you work i can find your pay, depending on where you donate i can look that up,etc etc... all without getting out of this chair. Here we are indeed.

 

I for one trust King W's competency, especially wrt protecting the Constitutional Rights (along with W's back dated signing letter) of white Christian male American citizens.

Good times.

 

only took 7 posts to drag the GWs name into it for no real reason...slacking to day arent we

 

that is about 6 posts too late.

this administration is the one which authorized illegal spying and pushed "the patriot act" on american citizens, so to bring up your presidents name seems appropriate.

 

the privacy concerns are not limited to the patriot act alone

 

and your point is?

the fact of the matter is that this is the most invasive administration in our nations history, while at the same time being the most secretive. these criminals have proven themselves time and time again to not be trusted and to be more than willing to straight up lie to the american people.

bush lied to us all when he said "anytime you talk about wiretaps, a wiretap requires a court order and constitutional guarantees are still in place".

 

Privacy, while not explicitly a right, is derived from property rights, and restrictions against unreasonable search/seizure.

Anybody advocating an expectation of less privacy due to some 9/11-induced hysteria only reveals their own lack of personal integrity and foresight.

The recent erosions of privacy under the Bush admin are heinous.

 

my point is simply. the privacy topic extends beyond this administration, its a shame you cant look past that and actually talk about the issue, not the administration.

thread officially dead.

 

but the privacy issues irt the Patriot Act et al are the only ones happening RIGHT NOW.

Once again you use the exact same response....everytime something like this pops up.

So, what you are saying is that since other politicians have done things we dont like, its NOT ok to blast the CURRENT perpetrators for what they are doing?

not by a long shot amigo

not for another two years at least.

 

what does the privacy act have to do with google earth? the pictures taken from the street? marketing companies that gather and share information? Lexus/Nexus were you can look up someone's market value of their home, past addresses, phone numbers etc.

i was just saying the privacy issues, goes well beyond the patriot act.

 

Most people do not expect privacy on their public records.

 

fair enough. But it is surprising how much information you can get about someone for the right price.

If we are talking in terms of law enforcement, i think that there will be (or is) a slow shift towards something more like the british have. Rather than probable cause, i believe they have something like reasonable doubt (i forget the exact term)...basically a slightly less strict guidline for allowing search and surveilence. Personally i feel that sometimes law enforcement is somewhat hindered at times and i am more than willing to help them do their job more effectively, if it indeed will.

 

Do it.



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