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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. Texanasiafan

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    Brewer can not and will not play the 2 spot, I will rather spend that minutes on Terry or Canaan.

    Between the 4 of them for G : Bev / Harden / Terry / Canaan, there is no minutes left for Brewer, if there will be any, I would rather give it to Nick.
     
  2. steddinotayto

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    Again, if they're dealing for Corey Brewer, a player on an expiring contract playing the same position as Trevor Ariza, then they're using him for a trade down the road. Why else would Morey want to use the TPE before Friday? He wants to be able to combine that TPE salary with Terry, Papa, Jones, or whomever to get another player down the road.

    Why?

    Because the Rockets are contenders. Even if they roll up a package of Terry, Brewer and Fillers for a Deron Williams it would still put this team in a better situation/light than it was at the start of the season.

    I'm trying to reason with you that getting Brewer won't require any significant asset other than the TPE because he's going to be used in another trade in February.

    And if they can't trade Brewer in February?

    He's still a decent player that's going to come off the books after the season's over.

    Bass would be an ideal player but if the Celts are holding him ransom because they know the Rockets would love to have him, why would Morey oblige? Positions and fit aside, Bass and Brewer are comparable talents and it doesn't make sense to pay more for one over the other.
     
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    If you can make a trade now to put the team in a better position to acquire a franchise player in the future then Morey shouldn't hesitate in pulling the trigger IMO.
     
  4. Nook

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    Agreed, they can do that. They will essentially being replacing Thomas and his 8 million dollar contract with Dragic and his 15 million dollar deal. They will be down a player in their rotation and have no cap relief to show for it.

    Before the season started the call was that the Suns could keep Thomas, Dragic and Bledsoe together AND have plenty of cap space. That is out the windown, they will not be keeping all 3. Their small ball P&R has been exposed and is being exploited, they have to eventually move one of them. Bledsoe isn't going anywhere. That leaves Dragic and Thomas. The contract of Thomas is a better value, and there is no guarantee Dragic resigns.

    Therefore, it makes sense to move Dragic but not for garbage, they will look at trade offers for Thomas and Dragic and in February (assuming they are .500%) try to squeeze out every last ounce in trade that they can for Dragic.

    The cap hit for Thomas' deal is just too attractive for a team like the Suns that want cap flexibility.

    The Suns want to catch their own Harden or Howard, and want to use Dragic to do it.... but I don't see it happening.
     
  5. Texanasiafan

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    Many rookies ranking boards have Black rated higher than Papa.
     
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    Yah excellent post.

    Suns are not a playoff team.

    Backlog at pg/sg

    Dragic is ready to contend, loves houston, loves mchale, and would start and fit perfect.

    Dragic isn't resigning in phx. They may play hardball but being a free agent next year his value is limited.

    Phx will trade him by February if they are smart. If not we sign him next year anyway.
     
  7. jump shooter

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    No offense, but do you actually believe that stuff.
     
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    Agreed. Black may not have the highest ceiling, but how many rookie big men are able to step in and contribute the way he has? He's not a scrub. In fact, he looks like he may eventually turn into a nice player.
     
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    Black deserves to be in the NBA and he may eventually become a solid rotation player. However, as a rookie he should not be getting minutes consistently on a team that is aiming to win a title. Having back up 3-5 minutes going to D-Mo/Pap/Brewer is a lot better than Black/Pap/Garcia
     
  10. Texanasiafan

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    You are missing the point here - point being : other people may not rate Papa as high as you do.
     
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    What happened to the nick young guy
     
  12. Nook

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    Brewer can play SG, especially defensively.

    I don't mind Canaan getting minutes (especially at the 1), but will he with McHale?

    I am sorry, but the Rockets are trying to win NOW. We don't know what the hell is going on with Dwight's knees and the team is on pace for 60 wins.... you don't roll with Black or Johnson if you can get a better player that is a veteran.
     
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    Pap or Black?

    All a matter of opinion. I have watched every Rockets game but the Lakers game and Pap Smear seems to make a bigger impact to my eyes.

    Still, Pap's main value is his contract right now, he can facilitate larger trades with his non guaranteed deal.
     
  14. Texanasiafan

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    what does the Brewer trade has anything to do with Dwight's knees?

    If Dwight's knees will have serious issue, we can't win Jack, even with Harden will be the MVP of the league.

    In fact, if there will be any worries about Dwight's knee, Morey should pick up the phone and call NOP to get Ajinca before the Cavs will do.

    Brewer is an asset and he does have value, but his value to this team in this stage obviously doesn't worth much for the Rockets to give up for.

    When talking about a trade, you have to think about it from the other side also, the T-wolves know that you have a deadline in order to flip this player again and they will just settle for a pretty useless late second round pick? which is what - teams always can spend about 1 mil to buy in the draft?
     
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    Not really. The Suns can re-sign both Dragic and Green using Bird Rights. They have about $52M in guaranteed contracts for the next season (and they can easily move players like Tucker and Thomas if they want to clear more space). The luxury tax threshold for 2015-2016 season is projected at $81M.
     
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    What does Brewer have to do with Dwight's knees? The point is that the Rockets are not worried about 1-2 years from now when Black may be good enough to be rotation player on a serious contender. Right now Black isn't, and Brewer is.... you get and play the better player right now.

    We haven't gotten a straight answer on Howard's knees, if it is degenerative, then we better maximize the next 18 months as much as possible.

    The Rockets wouldn't be giving up much for Brewer, who IS the type of player an elite team has in their rotation.
     
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    That assumes that the Suns would be willing to spend the money. Even above and beyond that, good luck going over the cap to resign the core of a .500% team.... that always works well.
     
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    Seriously, if the only plan you can come up with to utilize Brewer is having several guys to play out of their position, including him to play the 2 spot and moving Papa to play more 4 and D-Mo to play more 5,

    that's your solution for a team - like you said, need to win NOW, on pace to win 60 games for the season?

    Really?
     
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