Offensive flopping

“Flopping,” acknowledged Suns first-year head coach Jeff Hornacek, “is off the charts.”

Anyone else get a chuckle out of this?

 

Kobe is the worst offensive flopper of all time but Harden is making a good case for himself now that he has carte blanche to do as he pleases with the offense.

 

I don't really like Kobe.. at all.. but flopping was never something I really hated him for. Don't really notice him do it too much

 

I also find it amusing that Andrew Bogut is complaining about flopping, a tactic to deceive referees, when he is the master of grabbing, shoving, and holding in ways that the officials won't notice. So, Andrew, falling down on purpose is 'not basketball', but grabbing a guy's jersey or holding his arm to prevent him from playing defense 'is basketball'? Curious double standard.

 

Theres physical flopping and verbal flopping....

Vertical flopping -- blood curdling scream while driving to the basket. Kobe does this

Physical flopping -- see James Harden for reference. He is 2nd to none right now

 

Harden flopping for FTs is well known in league.

 

that is pure comedy gold. he played for years for the team that literally invented flopping in the nba. how did he even say that with a straight face?

also, bogut complaining after he just got a guy ejected from a game with a bush league tactic was pretty funny.

i do feel like in general i've seen less flopping since last year. it doesn't feel nearly as bad to me.

harden definitely knows how to sell a foul with a neck snap and arm flail, but you root for a team with chris paul on it. i've really liked paul his whole career, but i really think he's the worst overall flopper in nba history and it's about the only thing i dislike about him (harden used to piss me off when he was in okc but obviously feelings change when they join your team, which i assume is why you defend paul so much). unlike some of the all-time greats like derek fisher and divac, or even a ginobili and now harden on offense, he's one of the few, maybe the only, proactive floppers i've ever seen. most guys wait for a situation to present itself and then do something to make the contact look crazy.

chris paul, partly because he's so talented, will actively look for a way to create a situation out of nothing and then exploit it. like he'll identify some slow big guy and run over to him and then suddenly throw himself around like they were the ones who caused the problem. he seems very in tune with what he knows the refs can see or how they'll react to certain things that aren't in the center of the action (like a pick on the perimeter or dribbling in the backcourt when the refs are already up the court) and he exploits them. he's not just an offensive or defensive flopper, he has such all around flopping skills. offense, defense, on the ball, off the ball. he finds a way. he's like harden driving, scola guarding the post, and lowry running around a defensive pick all rolled into one.

 

but will LeBron paul blake and harden get warnings for it?

 

No doubt Paul embellishes his flops the most and is like the three time defending "flop of the year" champion for his heliflopter variations. However, in terms of flop frequency he's no even on the list. Like I said before, he flops what, maybe once a game if you count flails as flops, and only has a truly outrageous flop a couple times a year. Contrast this with Harden or Durant who are effectively flopping five or six times a game with their arms gestures when the drive, or Kobe who was flopping ten plus times a game by screaming on every foray to the hoop. Maybe people don't consider verbal outcries or arm flails as flops, but to me they are the same thing because they are creating an illusion for the refs to make them think contact is worse than it really is.

 

I think you're embellishing what a flop is, the arm rip that kobe and durant do so steadfastly isn't a flop, cheap? sure, but a flop? no. Harden's offensive flops are generally body contact, the arm fouls are just undisciplined defenders being baited.

 

I'm not talking about the rip through move (which Paul also does)... that is cheap but not what I'd call a flop. I mean the move where these guys drive to the hoop, bump a guy and then throw their arms up to get the call. To me, that's a flop because it's taking a little contact and selling it to the refs, same thing as taking a hit and falling to the ground.

 

Fixed

 

If the refs call it the same no matter its playoff, last 30 secs or regular seasons rubbish minutes. Then there will be no more flops.

And the entire review after game is just silly. There is no standard. If they do it correctly, which is NBA fined every single flops, floppers will stop flopping after 5 games. Be it on the defensive or offensive end.

 

Lol Hornacek... one of the dirtiest players under the dirtiest coach of all time has no room to talk.

 

James Harden does flop, BUT:

Most of the free throws he gets are legitimate fouls. He sticks his forearms out on purpose to protect the ball, but he does it to make himself available for the foul. In turn, defenders see him basically handing the ball to them and try to swipe it, resulting in a slap on the arm.

Even if it's not a hard hit, it's still a foul. James is good at creating the illusion that the ball could be stolen, only to offer up a whole lot of flesh to slap.

He's great at that, so I don't know if I would consider that aspect a flop.
I guess throwing your head back helps, and that is flop-worthy.


To me, the absolute WORST offensive flopper is CHRIS PAUL. Because of the way he acts like he's hit and bounced around like a ping pong ball, he is one of my least favorite players. I despise his mentality.


The league needs to look at guys like KD that are given an automatic whistle if they miss a layup, even when a foul isn't involved. There's a problem when no team in the league can play defense on a certain player because they know a foul will be called every damn time. LeBron, KD and Melo all have this luxury. It's disgusting.

 

Our very own TMac did that stuff all the time. I believe the word was "Heeeyyyyyyyyyyyy!" Lol, even before he went up for the layup, he was yelling out just in case the officials couldn't hear him.