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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. Marteen

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    If people want to riot over it and end up killing innocent people over it, go ahead. I hope the officers shoot them down, because they deserve it. They are no different than the KKK.
     
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  2. JayGoogle

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    In your eyes, the man was not arrested. Maybe to you just being handcuffed counts as being arrested, but to some being handcuffed, questioned, and held in jail until bail or arraignment is determined is actually being arrested. Missing the point entirely. He killed a man and was released the very same day. If you want to be technical about it he was arrested, but the moment they let him go he stopped being 'arrested'...which again all happened in the same day.

    More like he was detained.

    Also there was a ounce of truth to what I said, he was released and had everyone just ignored it as some would love, he would have never been charged which is what people were asking for in the first place.
     
  3. justtxyank

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    I don't see why it matters whether he got charged if he was innocent of what he was charged with. Trials don't exist so that innocent people can prove their innocence to the public.
     
  4. sugrlndkid

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    Sad sad case and result of Justice for a young man. I do wish however, the media would've just presented the facts and kept race out of discussion...

    Lets just say, that if this was a black man that fired upon on a black child (nothing would've happened)...and this wouldn't even have been news
    If it were a black man that fired upon a white child(there would have been some sort of criminal charge)

    The issue of race was charged up from the very beginning and had such a tone throughout the trial.

    Here are the facts:
    1. The state with all its resources, and ability to nail Zimmerman failed.
    2. And if Im not mistaken, Zimmerman hired the public defender???
    3. The state with the burden of proof couldn't actually prove the malicious intent of Zimmerman. And self defense laws being so concrete, was a winning defense, bc at the point that Zimmerman fired his weapon, he felt reasonable danger for his life.
    4. The prosecution put together a terrible case, and had its own witnesses destroy their case
    5. A young black child lost his life.
    6. A jury of 6 women, has spoken.​


    While I think Zimmerman was a total scum bag for following a kid in a hoodie, the criminal evidence presented against him was lacking. And now he walks free. The country demanded a trial. Got a trial, and now has a verdict. People have to accept the decision and move forward with their lives and make sure that their kids know certain life saving skills. If you're in fear for your life, call 911 or cry for help. Never be in a situation where you are alone and especially at night. Parents watch out for your kids and make sure they grow up to be responsible adults. Keep a vigilant eye for weird folks whether they are white, black, asian, indian, hispanic, etc. and avoid them.

    Good or bad, Zimmerman will never have peace in his life. He took the life of a child. Whether he did it intentionally or not, I don't know. But he will now have to live a life of fear forever. Maybe his conscience is clear knowing he didnt do anything. But I dont know about you, but if there is a massive group of folks looking to harm you, what do you do? And how do you gain the strength to move on?

    RIP Trayvon and Mr. Zimmerman, I really hope you didnt commit a crime. The law and men of your peers says you didnt.
     
  5. basso

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    Will writes well.

    [rquoter]You Are Not Trayvon Martin
    His death wasn’t about race, guns, or your pet issue. It was about misjudgment and overreaction—exactly what we’re doing now to the verdict.
    By William Saletan|Posted Monday, July 15, 2013, at 5:15 PM
    Demonstrators react to George Zimmerman's acquittal, Miami Florida.
    Demonstrators hold signs in downtown Miami a day after the verdict to the George Zimmerman murder trial
    Photo by Angel Valentin/Getty Images
    Trayvon Martin is dead, George Zimmerman has been acquitted, and millions of people are outraged. Some politicians are demanding a second prosecution of Zimmerman, this time for hate crimes. Others are blaming the tragedy on “Stand Your Ground” laws, which they insist must be repealed. Many who saw the case as proof of racism in the criminal justice system see the verdict as further confirmation. Everywhere you look, people feel vindicated in their bitter assumptions. They want action.
    But that’s how Martin ended up dead. It’s how Zimmerman ended up with a bulletproof vest he might have to wear for the rest of his life. It’s how activists and the media embarrassed themselves with bogus reports. The problem at the core of this case wasn’t race or guns. The problem was assumption, misperception, and overreaction. And that cycle hasn’t ended with the verdict. It has escalated.
    I almost joined the frenzy. Yesterday I was going to write that Zimmerman pursued Martin against police instructions and illustrated the perils of racial profiling. But I hadn’t followed the case in detail. So I sat down and watched the closing arguments: nearly seven hours of video in which the prosecution and defense went point by point through the evidence as it had been hashed out at the trial. Based on what I learned from the videos, I did some further reading.
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    It turned out I had been wrong about many things. The initial portrait of Zimmerman as a racist wasn’t just exaggerated. It was completely unsubstantiated. It’s a case study in how the same kind of bias that causes racism can cause unwarranted allegations of racism. Some of the people Zimmerman had reported as suspicious were black men, so he was a racist. Members of his family seemed racist, so he was a racist. Everybody knew he was a racist, so his recorded words were misheard as racial slurs, proving again that he was a racist.
    The 911 dispatcher who spoke to Zimmerman on the fatal night didn’t tell him to stay in his car. Zimmerman said he was following a suspicious person, and the dispatcher told him, "We don't need you do to that." Chief prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda conceded in his closing argument that these words were ambiguous. De la Rionda also acknowledged, based on witness and forensic evidence that both men “were scraping and rolling and fighting out there.” He pointed out that the wounds, blood evidence, and DNA didn’t match Zimmerman’s story of being thoroughly restrained and pummeled throughout the fight. But the evidence didn’t fit the portrait of Martin as a sweet-tempered child, either. And the notion that Zimmerman hunted down Martin to accost him made no sense. Zimmerman knew the police were on the way. They arrived only a minute or so after the gunshot. The fight happened in a public area surrounded by townhouses at close range. It was hardly the place or time to start shooting.
    That doesn’t make Zimmerman a hero. It just makes him a reckless fool instead of a murderer. In a post-verdict press conference, his lawyer, Mark O’Mara, claimed that “the evidence supported that George Zimmerman did nothing wrong,” that “the jury decided that he acted properly in self-defense,” and that Zimmerman “was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self-defense. I’m glad that the jury saw it that way.” That’s complete BS. The only thing the jury decided was that there was reasonable doubt as to whether Zimmerman had committed second-degree murder or manslaughter.
    Zimmerman is guilty, morally if not legally, of precipitating the confrontation that led to Martin’s death. He did many things wrong. Mistake No. 1 was inferring that Martin was a burglar. In his 911 call, Zimmerman cited Martin’s behavior. “It’s raining, and he’s just walking around” looking at houses, Zimmerman said. He warned the dispatcher, “He’s got his hand in his waistband.” He described Martin’s race and clothing only after the dispatcher asked about them. Whatever its basis, the inference was false.
    Mistake No. 2 was pursuing Martin on foot. Zimmerman had already done what the neighborhood watch rules advised: He had called the police. They would have arrived, questioned Martin, and ascertained that he was innocent. Instead, Zimmerman, packing a concealed firearm, got out and started walking after Martin. Zimmerman’s initial story, that he was trying to check the name of the street, was so laughable that his attorneys abandoned it. He was afraid Martin would get away. So he followed Martin, hoping to update the cops.
    Mistake No. 3 was Zimmerman’s utter failure to imagine how his behavior looked to Martin. You’re a black kid walking home from a convenience store with Skittles and a fruit drink. Some dude in a car is watching and trailing you. God knows what he wants. You run away. He gets out of the car and follows you. What are you supposed to do? In Zimmerman’s initial interrogation, the police expressed surprise that he hadn’t identified himself to Martin as a neighborhood watch volunteer. They suggested that Martin might have been alarmed when Zimmerman reached for an object that Zimmerman, but not Martin, knew was a phone. Zimmerman seemed baffled. He was so convinced of Martin’s criminal intent that he hadn’t considered how Martin, if he were innocent, would perceive his stalker.
    Martin, meanwhile, was profiling Zimmerman. On his phone, he told a friend he was being followed by a “creepy-ass cracker.” The friend—who later testified that this phrase meant pervert—advised Martin, “You better run.” She reported, as Zimmerman did, that Martin challenged Zimmerman, demanding to know why he was being hassled. If Zimmerman’s phobic misreading of Martin was the first wrong turn that led to their fatal struggle, Martin’s phobic misreading of Zimmerman may have been the second.
    In court, evidence and scrutiny have exposed these difficult, complicated truths. But outside the court, ideologues are ignoring them. They’re oversimplifying a tragedy that was caused by oversimplification. Martin has become Emmett Till. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is using the verdict to attack Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which wasn’t invoked in this case. The grievance industrial complex is pushing the Department of Justice to prosecute Zimmerman for bias-motivated killing, based on evidence that didn’t even support a conviction for unpremeditated killing. Zimmerman’s lawyers have teamed up with members of the Congressional Black Caucus, inadvertently, to promote the false message that Zimmerman’s acquittal means our society thinks everything he did was OK.
    It wasn’t OK. It was stupid and dangerous. It led to the unnecessary death of an innocent young man. It happened because two people—their minds clouded by stereotypes that went well beyond race—assumed the worst about one another and acted in haste. If you want to prevent the next Trayvon Martin tragedy, learn from their mistakes. Don’t paint the world in black and white. Don’t declare the whole justice system racist, or blame every gun death on guns, or confuse acquittal with vindication. And the next time you see somebody who looks like a punk or a pervert, hold your fire.
    William Saletan's latest short takes on the news, via Twitter:[/rquoter]

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...imes_prosecution_and_other_overreactions.html
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    great article from Will

    reinforces many of the points I've been making for 17 months
     
  7. Rocket River

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    The Whole System Failed

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/opinion/the-whole-system-failed.html?_r=2&


     
  8. bigtexxx

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    While you are right the problem is Zimmerman had just killed a man.

    Someone posted a story about a very similar case where a white man killed black youth in self defense. It has not gotten the same amount of attention because said white man was charged.

    Space ghost posted it, this is it. http://www.nydailynews.com/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345

    Not much is made of this because the man was charged.

    Zimmerman was not charged, that's where the initial outrage came from with the black community. That a man could just kill a black man and get released the same day is mind boggling.

    Any ways Zimmerman killed a guy. I've said I believe Zimmerman was scared for his life...but he still killed a man and it doesn't matter that he had to prove his innocence to anyone. Yeah people are going to be angry at him, he killed someone, a teenager no less. He should expect that hate, it's not like it was a question of whether he shot Trayvon or someone else did. It was a question of who started the altercation and was Zimmerman's life was actually threatened. So I share no sympathy for what Zimmerman is going through, if you kill someone there are heavy consequences for that.

    I think Trayvon's parents, this is what they wanted most of all just for him to be charged. That's why they are the most calm in all this, they just wanted what any parent would want if they were in that same situation.
     
  10. WinorLoseMate

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    I understand the evidence that was presented. I understand the state laws of Florida. Judging by everything that was presented, it would be hard to claim that the final decision made was an incorrect one.
    But in my mind I keep asking myself, that if on that day it were a white teenage boy and a black neighbourhood watch volunteer, would the verdict still come out the same way that it came out a few days ago? It pains me to say no; and I can't find any way to address this issue or find a solution if it happens again in the future.
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    so basically you just assume everybody is racist when you ask the question if the colors were reversed

    not everybody is racist. I hate that shallow thinking
     
  12. WinorLoseMate

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    Would Zimmerman had followed him if he was an Asian kid? It's shallow to think racism does not exist. A lot of racial stereotyping happens at a subconscious level.
     
  13. magnetik

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    If there was an issue of asians breaking into cars and burglarizing the neighborhood consistently.. I would say probably yes.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Just sat in the make-up chair at CNN next to juror B37. She is going on Anderson Cooper tonight. Wow.</p>&mdash; Michael Skolnik (@MichaelSkolnik) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/356919183423975424" data-datetime="2013-07-15T23:32:19+00:00">July 15, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  16. rudan

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    The white liberal response to this is even more pathetic than this woman......

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    r****ds..........

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  18. returningfan

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    Apparently the high crime rate in the area was cause for a neighborhood watch.

    I wonder what the perpetrators of those crimes are thinking.

    Do they feel some sort of guilt?

    Their actions .......responsibility etc
     
  19. NotInMyHouse

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    That's not the point, at all. The point about black intra-racial crime is that it isn't important to the media, nor does it seem terribly important to the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. It has nothing to do with black folks protesting.
     
  20. robbie380

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    Are we talking about an Asian kid who acted like Trayvon? Is the Asian kid committing felony assault too?
     

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