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Wisconsin Legislators Leave State to Prevent Vote

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    So explain to me what rights the state is giving non union members over union members? Their is no discrimination, which was the point of the law you posted. The point was not to claim employers must negotiate with unions, which must be the worst economic system I could possibly think of.
     
  2. Northside Storm

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    Surprise, it's the economic system you have lived in for something like 70 years, and which is mandated by the Constitution, interpreted by the Supreme Court as such, interpreted by international organizations as such, and interpreted by employers as such.

    And which will always be interpreted as such. Collective bargaining and labour unions are as much part of America as free speech. Like I said, deal with it.

    Also, the worst system you might be thinking of is the Victorian dystopia that saw massive inequality of wealth, child labour and frequent loss of limbs, something America would trend towards if people like Scott Walker had their way, and something which spawned socialist ideas in the first place---socialist ideals that have led to the formation of mixed economies that have ushered in the most prosperous age of human advancement.
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    I don't even know what law you're referring to here, to be frankly honest. The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States? The belated section in the Wisconsin Constitution? JFK's executive order mandating public-sector collective bargaining? Or that most famous of labor regulations, the Wagner Act?
     
  4. Major

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    NS, we may not like what Wisconsin has done, but it's no way, shape, or form unconstitutional. Dozens of states already have similar policies in place, and no one anywhere has remotely argued that it's not allowed.
     
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  5. Northside Storm

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    It is unconstitutional, in that it is attacking the very principles of the Constitution. It may be legal, but that's due to technicalities, the same technicalities that r****ded civil rights for a generation. It is definitely not in accordance with the Constitution of the United States. It wasn't in accordance with the Constitution of Wisconsin either, until Walker changed that set of laws. Pray, all of us, that people like him can never wipe the First Amendment away.

    I know about the whole issue of states and public-sector, and the fact that Wagner Act provisions were not extended to state employees, though they were for federal employees through executive order. There are states that do not permit collective bargaining with their public-sector employees at all, which is just a sad thing to be honest. It is a flagrant violation of the principles set in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, but they can get away with it. States' rights lololol.

    Where we go from violation of a spirit of laws the country is at least nominally bound to follow, to an actual violation, is where tallanvor professes amazement that employers (predominantly private-sector corporations in this case) are bound by law to negotiate collectively...well they are. The majority of American citizens are protected either by the Wagner Act or Kennedy's executive order (Executive Order 10988) governing federal employer-employee relations, and therefore their employers are required to recognize when they unionize, and required to bargain collectively with them with certain norms attached. This is, of course, in accordance with the First Amendment of the United States Constitution and subsequent Supreme Court rulings such as Texas & N.O.R. Co. v. Brotherhood of Railway Clerks.

    In my zeal, I may have bandied the term unconstitutional a bit too much. However, I just like to remind people that for the vast majority of Americans, the right to form a union, and the right to collectively bargain, is up there with freedom of speech, religion etc. It's always nice, especially with people who tend to follow the "originality" train of thought of judicial activism, to remind them that collective bargaining for most Americans has been here, is here, and will be here for as long as the Constitution stands.
     
  6. mc mark

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    Koch backed group, Americans For Prosperity (yeah right) caught vote pampering in WI recall elections.

    AFP Wisconsin ballots have late return date

    Americans for Prosperity is sending absentee ballots to Democrats in at least two Wisconsin state Senate recall districts with instructions to return the paperwork after the election date.

    The fliers, obtained by POLITICO, ask solidly Democratic voters to return ballots for the Aug. 9 election to the city clerk "before Aug. 11."
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    Ballot "pampering"?
     
  8. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    Oops!

    :p

    tampering, hampering, lampering
     
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    To be fair, August 9th is before August 11th. :)
     
  10. mc mark

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    hum.....

    Fire destroys downtown buildings on Jay Street

    A fire destroyed adjacent downtown buildings Saturday, claiming six apartments, a warehouse and the local headquarters of a political organizing group just 10 days before an election.

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    The La Crosse headquarters for We Are Wisconsin, a left-leaning political action committee, was a total loss, said group spokesman Kelly Steele.

    Staffers were in the office when the fire broke out and escaped safely, he said. It’s too early for Steele to say how the group will function without a local headquarters with just 10 days left before the recall election between Democratic challenger Rep. Jennifer Shilling and Republican Sen. Dan Kapanke.
     
  11. thadeus

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    The Koch's are really going off the rails to get their rich-guy agenda enacted, aren't they?
     
  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Yes, voting drives to get geriatric citizens to the polling booth. A new GOP staple.
     
  13. basso

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    Just announced: the two new dem senators will take their oaths of office at the holiday inn in rockford, IL.
     
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    Did you pee your pants a little while typing that?
     
  15. luckystrikes

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    You must spread some reputation around before giving it to basso again.
     
  16. Major

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    This is the end result of just taking a stand without any viable end game planned. Dems didn't get control of the Senate - though they did get close - and the bill went through with no changes.
     
  17. basso

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    very much.

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  18. cml750

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    It looks like Mr. Sharpton needs some teleprompter lessons from Obama.
     
  19. ILoveTheRockets

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    American Infrastructure was built off the backs of Unionized Labor. And still is maintained on the backs of Unionized Labor. If think Unions are horrible, you must of never been on a private sector hard-labor job. Worse working conditions ever.
     
  20. tallanvor

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    Union thugs acting immature

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