The Webber/Penny trade....

You can't trade back to back 1st round picks. This happened because of the old Cleveland Cavaliers owner, Ted Stepien. He traded away many first round choices in the early 80s (6 in all) and he couldn't find anyone to buy the team. The Gund family (George and Gordon Gund, they are brothers) said they would buy the team if the Cavs could be compensated with the draft choices back. He was compensated, and they set up the rule to never get back to the same situation again.

 

Does it matter if you trade your number one pick for another's team number pick in the same draft year? Cleveland in the early 80s got into trouble trading picks for players.

 

I think its just you can't have 2 consecutive years without a first round draft choice. The exception would be a CBA violation (ie the Joe Smith-T'Wolves situation). I could be wrong, but I think that's how it goes.

 

Orlando traded Webber for Penny and 3 #1 draft picks, yes - in 1996, 1998, and 2000. The only one that turned out to be used was the pick in 2000, which turned out to be #5 Mike Miller.

You can trade multiple picks, but not in consecutive years. So, a trade could net several picks, but they would have to be spread out over every other year.

 

mfclark--why did they only use 1 of the draft picks?

 

I'm not sure. I believe there were restrictions on the previous two that allowed Golden State to keep the picks. Golden State kept their pick in 96; not like it helped much - Todd Fuller. In 98, they kept their pick and took Carter, traded to Toronto for Jamison.

My best guess is that these two picks were lottery protected, while the last pick was not.

 

The 96 pick was #11, 98 #5, 00 #5.

It must have been somewhere from top 6-10 protected, but the last year levied or something very weird. I'll look into it, but I have found nothing on it so far.

 

The Stepian Rule says that a team isn't allowed to be without a first round draft pick for any two consecutive future drafts
Here's some points:

- The rule only applies to future drafts. In other words, if you trade this years first round pick, as soon as the draft is over, you are allowed to trade next year's pick. This is because as soon as a draft is completed, then it is no longer a "future" draft.

- The rule only says that you have to have a first round draft pick, it doesn't have to be your own.

Does that make sense? If not, Coon's FAQ has a pretty good explanation of this rule.

 

I'm here to set that record straight. You ca't trade away draft choices in consecutive yrs, thats why the picks where 96,98 and 2000, but what happened is when Webber wanted out, they got their picks back from Washington in the odd yrs 95,97, and 99. They basically traded Webberto washington for Googs for the picks. Thus GS got Joe Smith in 95 as the number 1 pick after they traded Webber in 94 to Wash. After getting Googs, GS traded him to Minn for Donyell Marshall, ouch!!

Looking back on that trade, the first 5 yrs it looked like Penny was going to be the better player because of his instant impact, but after the injuries to he knees, it looks like Webber is the better of the 2. Webber had shoulder problems earlier, thus penny was all nba, now penny's knees are shot and Webber is now all nba. Its funny how those things workout.

 

The above explanations aren't right.

What happened is that Orlando traded the first two picks to Washington in separate deals, and then Washington traded them back to the Warriors when GS swapped Webber for Tom Gugliotta and 3 first-round picks (in '96, '98, and '00 -- the same three years they'd traded away).