what stat people don't care about which is pretty important is FG%. LeBron is hovering around 47 and 48% each year. Tmac hovers around 45% during his best years. LeBron has the edge on rebounds and assists too compared to Tmac's best years too.
more importantly, both have the same fg% in the PLAYOFFS, which is where most of the clutchfans critics point out to claim tmac is extremely inefficient. yet lebron shoots 42-43% every playoffs.
tmac was at their level, if not better, in 04-05. he hasn't been the same since i agree. remember, tmac in that playoff performance v. the mavs was something to behold (individually).
tinman, do you think wade will get the heat out of the first round this year? he's playing the best he has ever in his career so what do you say?
As a Rocket McGrady's shooting eff. is below par....largely due to his FT & 3pt shooting. So going by that you're right...but to say he's NEVER played at a level comparable to what Wade and Lebron have played the last few seasons is flat out wrong. His 02-03 season for example; is historically great. On top of his 30.2 PER, he had a useage Rating of 35.2 with a TOV% of 8.4.....thats freaking insane! What he may have lacked in shooting eff. (shot 45.7% & 38.6%3pt that season btw) he made up with his lack of tunovers. His career Useage rating% is 30.5 to have a career TOV% of 9.9 is damn impressive. His career high in turnovers was exactly 3.00 a game. Since March of last season McGrady has been a terribly inefficient scorer so replacing him with Ron (defensively) has made houston better. But i'll take the guy from the prevoius 3 and a half seasons over Ron at any point easily. Revisionist history has set in.
Fixed it. When you get a 3-1 lead over the future champs and your supporting cast is James Vaugn, Tyron Lue, Drew Gooden and Mike Miller. You definately doing something right. I recall game 2 when he played for Orlando against Detroit. Tmac had 46 points that night, and there second leading scorer was ndrew DeClercq with nine points. Who? McGrady's teammates combined for just 31 points, yes, he outscored his whole team.
Who cares. That's about Orlando. You know Shaq lead Orlando to an NBA Finals right? Put 1995 Orlando Shaq and subtract Tmac, that team would have beaten Detroit.
Wrong, McGrady did not have any kind of supporting cast Shaq had. McGrady has had ALL d league type players when he was in Orlando.
One active player in the NBA from that squad who is still active in the NBA that wasn't injured. ONE. Drew Gooden. Mind bobbling right? People say McGrady's whole career has been a failure, that's irrational to say. That's like saying the NBA would've been better without him.
T-Mac during that series in Dallas was arguably the best player in the NBA. He lost if after that year, but to say he was never on D-Wade or Lebrons level isn't accurate. Just rewind the tape......he didn't pull out the series, but he was by far the best player on the court. Look at his roster, nobody would have beaten Dallas with the Squad t-mac had.
The best players in the league win MVPs. That Rockets squad was good, we should have won and we didn't. Everytime you are making an excuse for Tmac with the Rockets you are dumping Yao. You think Lebron or Dwade with Yao could do damage? I bet they would. it would be a safe bet too.
Here's some facts for Tmac fans facts for "Orlando" fans here who seem to have a selective memory the real #1
lol @ dakota saying tmac has never been at wade/lbj's level. He WAS wade or lebron in orlando. He was the kobe of the east. Before lebron came into the league, he was sitting courtside watching tmac play in orlando. what a damn joke for doggin' on tmac like he wasnt ever a great player. you can look at stats and you'd be proven wrong. you can watch him play and youd be proven wrong. we got tmac thinking that the scoring champ wouldn't get injuries. well he did, **** happens. 29 teams dont ever see the obrien trophy at the end of the season. that doesnt make lebron or post-shaq kobe any less great. so if kobe never wins a ring without shaq, youll complain about that until he starts to decline. then when he declines, youll dog on him for never being a great player? remember that people were arguing who was the best player in the league, kobe or mcgrady, when he was in orlando. you hit kobe with the same injuries and he's another tmac, but that doesnt mean he wasnt once great. remember the 2006 playoffs when it was just kobe and some sorry players? yeah, got eliminated in 7, with kobe quitting in the 7th game. you gonna call him out? that guy is a machine and does nothing but bball 24/7 and he quit on his squad full of scrubs. can you say that about tmac? but then your argument is that kobe took his team to the finals. he had pau/fisher/odom/turiaf/ariza/sasha. a squad arguably damn better than any of tmacs squads put together, not including this season. tmac has only had yao (who has been injured a few times and is as soft as tissue paper) and a few diamonds in the rough (landry/scola). no one outside of tmac could take and make clutch shots. pau/kobe/fisher/sasha would take those big shots and more often than not, it seems, they'd make it. you know who else thinks/knows tmac was a great player? Jeff Van Gundy. I think im gonna trust a mad dog defensive coach like jvg over some myopic/judgmental poster on bbs. edit: penny was a phenomenal player. but are bbs posters gonna dog him too for not being as great as he was when he returned from his injury? dont think so.
lol that isnt tmacs argument. read my post again (if you read it at all). it's in response to people saying he wasnt a great player.
It's like deja vu here on the forums. Tmac vs Kobe vs Wade vs etc, Yao vs Dwight, Battier Mr intangibles, etc. Same ol people arguing the same ol stuff.
well that's what happen when people dont sit back and look at what happened, instead focusing on a few bad details. outside of the stunt he pulled at the trade deadline this year, ive never concretely seen tmac do anything but try and put this team in the playoffs and beyond. many come up short and only one team makes it. is tmac a ****ty player right now? heck yes.
