Andre Miller "leads" the Cavs to another loss and what the Rockets can learn

Come on Drewdog, you're not giving him enough credit. You left out his six turnovers and 33% shooting.

 

The reason I want Miller over Francis or Mobley, is that I feel the backcourt would be STRONGER with someone who had a pass 1st mentality.

Think of how many points Cuttino would score when the table was set for him by a good PG.

OR

Think how well Francis would do once the defense is scrambling to rotate and catch up after he caught a pass from Miller.

My main thrust is that our 2 guards are carbon copies of one another, and neither one of them is a team player, and IMHO, the Rocks would be better if one of the guards was a pure PG.

DaDakota

 

Ya see, I don't really agree with that. A player like Mobley doesn't really need a good point guard to score, because he can do it by himself. I think being a good "true" point guard is only really valuable when that team has big men who are athletic and run the court well. And the Rockets don't have that. Maybe if the Rockets some how acquired Kevin Garnett or Shawn Marion or Kenyon Martin, I'd be a little more receptive to the idea of trading Francis for Miller. But who's to even say that Francis wouldn't change his game if he actually had a good big man to pass the ball to. Just like in Cleveland, Andre doesn't have any big men, and look at the results.

 

DC,

Watch Mobley when he gets his feet set and has a wide open look he shoots a MUCH higher percentage.

I am confident that Mobley would benefit the most by having a true PG. I would see Mobley as a 25PPG scorer, maybe higher if he had someone to set the table for him.

Not to mention, KT, EG, and the rest of the team becoming more involved on offense, and thus by proxy more involved in the team concept and defense.

DaDakota

 

Hasn't Mobley been a 25 ppg scorer in the last 30 games or so?

 

Yes, but I am talking about the whole season. Mobley would be getting better shots with Miller at the point.

DaDakota

 

DrewDog,

No Hakeem, no Mo T, and free reign for 2 players who are not ready to handle the leadership role yet all equates to a horrible record.

DaDakota

 

DaDakota,

I have the exact same opinion as you do regarding Mobley. Eventhough he's a tremendous penetrator, Mobley is an even better catch-and-shoot player.

So,

Do you have a problem with the way Mobley's utilized, or do you have a problem with the way Mobley plays off the team?

If you're issue is with how he's utilized, then I think an eye should be cast towards Rudy & Co. instead of Steve. The coaches are the ones that have to create opportunities in the offense for Cat to get catch-and-shoot opportunities.

Of course, if Cat and the other players are playing within the offense and getting open for opportunities, yet aren't receiving the ball, then blame Steve, and vice versa.

Personally, I blame both. Steve may have been an All-Star this year, but (when healthy) he's actually regressed a bit IMHO, he was better last year. But then again, if he's doing what the 'system' asks of him, as well as the other players, then it's the fault of the 'system' i.e. the coaching staff.

 

Well, Stevie hasn't played the whole season though. Maybe he can be a 25 ppg scorer if Stevie played with him the whole season? His last 30 games have been with Steve.

 

Is 24-26 really that horrible a record, considering the absences of Hakeem, Mo, and Glen? That is the record with Francis in the lineup.

The injuries and medical conditions have completely ruined Steve's rhythm. Give Francis and Mobley a full season next year, along with Taylor, Rice, and hopefully some new addition, and we'll see who the better leader is between Steve and Andre.

 

You are so right man, let's make that one game comparison that is so ever accurate. I mean what were Stevie's numbers last night?

7 pts
4 ast
7 reb

and a 27 point ass whipping on his home floor.

Its obvious to me, God, and all that is holy and sacred in this world, that Steve Francis is the key to getting the Houston Rockets to the NBA finals next year. He sure knows how to "lead" that team to victory night in and night out!

The Houston Rockets are a model team of pure leadership (spearheaded by Stevie Franchise himself) and a sure-fire championship-caliber team.

Lead us oh great one!

 

DrewDog,

I call them as I see em, I don't WANT to bash anyone. However, it drives me nuts to see the lack of leadership on this team, and as the professed leader, Steve gets the lion share of the blame.

Steve is not as good as some people believe. He is an amazing individual talent, but his leadership and his discipline and his committment need to be questioned.

If you don't believe me, then what was Steve drinking the night you met him?

Alcohol? Well you do know the doctors have told him that is one of the primary causes of his migraines. See my point...lack of leadership, and committment.

Call a dog a dog.

DaDakota

 

Timing understands just fine. The purpose of his reply was to show that one game is not indicative of a player's overall performance. Season averages are more useful in this regard, though defense, injury history and intangibles must be taken into account as well.

Andre: 16.7 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 10.7 apg, 1.49 stl, 3.08 TO
Steve: 21.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 6.7 apg, 1.18 stl, 4.02 TO


Andre

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(10.7)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Free Throws(333.0)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(408.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Assists(759.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover(3.47)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Double-doubles(38.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(3.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes(13.8)


Steve

Ranks #7 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(40.6)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Free Throws(282.0)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(361.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(2.0)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(6.81)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(8.72)

 

Fadeaway,

Too bad they don't track intelligence in there as well, because Miller would be LIGHT years ahead of Steve.

DaDakota

 

I definitely heard your sarcasm so I upped it with my own sarcasm. Nobody thinks Andre Miller is the reincarnation of Magic Johnson.

I used this sig because I thought it was funny and even though it might be a little bit of an exaggeration, I totally agree that Stevie's basketball IQ leaves a lot to be desired.