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Anti-Iran Rally Turns Into Anti-Obama Rally

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  1. basso

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    http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/united.nations.general.2.823131.html

    [rquoter]Jewish Groups Furious That Protest Against Ahmadinejad Was, At Times, A Pro-Palin, Bash-The-Dems Affair

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    Marcia Kramer NEW YORK (CBS) ― Politics and diplomacy were not a good mix at Monday's protest rally against Iran at the United Nations.

    Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin didn't participate in the "Stop Iran Now" rally and there were a lot of hard feelings about it.

    It was a simple sign that read "We Want Sarah. Shame On The Rally Organizer."

    Howard Webber from Brooklyn held it.

    "As important an event as this is, you needed a unity of Democrats and Republicans to show Ahmadinejad that we're not going to accept a nuclear Iran."

    Buddy Macy of Little Fells, N.J., felt much the same way.

    "I'm so disappointed, upset," Macy said. "She would have brought 10,000-20,000 more supporters of Israel. People who were curious were stopped because of partisan action."

    The brouhaha started after Clinton pulled out after she learned Palin was invited. Three organizations supporting the rally threatened to pull out unless Palin was disinvited. She was but organizers didn't stop there.

    They were furious Monday about the political signs brought by some at the rally, like an anti-Obama sign that said, "Jews Against Obama & Ahmadinejad."

    "I am upset by the sign because this is a non-political event," said Janice Shorenstein, president of the Jewish Community Relations Council. "We are here today to cry out against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, not political. American elections are not part of this event."

    Congressman Anthony Wiener disagreed.

    "I think this is a classic political event in the best sense of the word. Politicians from all corners come here to speak out against Iran," Wiener said. "I think it would have been fine for Sarah to speak. We just needed someone of equal stature from the Obama campaign to speak."

    The question is what are the political repercussions not to have politicians speak at the rally?

    "Republicans benefitted more than the Democrats did," political consultant Hank Sheinkopf said. "Why? Sarah Palin wanted to be there, but it looks like she was purposely told not to and rejected. It gives her standing, particularly among those people who are thinking about voting Republican anyway."

    Both Clinton and Palin tried to make political hay anyway. Clinton released a statement. Palin released the speech she would have given. She will be in New York on Monday and Tuesday to meet with world leaders. Republicans hopes that helps boost her foreign policy credentials.

    With the General Assembly now in session, avoid the East Side if you can. There will be the usual traffic troubles all week.

    Streets will be closed at different times, anywhere from the FDR to Madison Avenue, between 42nd and 57th streets.[/rquoter]
     
  2. basso

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    Here's the speech Palin was scheduled to deliver.

    [rquoter]
    By SARAH PALIN | September 22, 2008

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    I am honored to be with you and with leaders from across this great country — leaders from different faiths and political parties united in a single voice of outrage.

    Tomorrow, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will come to New York — to the heart of what he calls the Great Satan — and speak freely in this, a country whose demise he has called for.

    Ahmadinejad may choose his words carefully, but underneath all of the rhetoric is an agenda that threatens all who seek a safer and freer world. We gather here today to highlight the Iranian dictator's intentions and to call for action to thwart him.

    He must be stopped.

    The world must awake to the threat this man poses to all of us. Ahmadinejad denies that the Holocaust ever took place. He dreams of being an agent in a "Final Solution" — the elimination of the Jewish people. He has called Israel a "stinking corpse" that is "on its way to annihilation." Such talk cannot be dismissed as the ravings of a madman — not when Iran just this summer tested long-range Shahab-3 missiles capable of striking Tel Aviv, not when the Iranian nuclear program is nearing completion, and not when Iran sponsors terrorists that threaten and kill innocent people around the world.

    The Iranian government wants nuclear weapons. The International Atomic Energy Agency reports that Iran is running at least 3,800 centrifuges and that its uranium enrichment capacity is rapidly improving. According to news reports, U.S. intelligence agencies believe the Iranians may have enough nuclear material to produce a bomb within a year.

    The world has condemned these activities. The United Nations Security Council has demanded that Iran suspend its illegal nuclear enrichment activities. It has levied three rounds of sanctions. How has Ahmadinejad responded? With the declaration that the "Iranian nation would not retreat one iota" from its nuclear program.

    So, what should we do about this growing threat? First, we must succeed in Iraq. If we fail there, it will jeopardize the democracy the Iraqis have worked so hard to build, and empower the extremists in neighboring Iran. Iran has armed and trained terrorists who have killed our soldiers in Iraq, and it is Iran that would benefit from an American defeat in Iraq.

    If we retreat without leaving a stable Iraq, Iran's nuclear ambitions will be bolstered. If Iran acquires nuclear weapons — they could share them tomorrow with the terrorists they finance, arm, and train today. Iranian nuclear weapons would set off a dangerous regional nuclear arms race that would make all of us less safe.

    But Iran is not only a regional threat; it threatens the entire world. It is the no. 1 state sponsor of terrorism. It sponsors the world's most vicious terrorist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah. Together, Iran and its terrorists are responsible for the deaths of Americans in Lebanon in the 1980s, in Saudi Arabia in the 1990s, and in Iraq today. They have murdered Iraqis, Lebanese, Palestinians, and other Muslims who have resisted Iran's desire to dominate the region. They have persecuted countless people simply because they are Jewish.

    Iran is responsible for attacks not only on Israelis, but on Jews living as far away as Argentina. Anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial are part of Iran's official ideology and murder is part of its official policy. Not even Iranian citizens are safe from their government's threat to those who want to live, work, and worship in peace. Politically-motivated abductions, torture, death by stoning, flogging, and amputations are just some of its state-sanctioned punishments.

    It is said that the measure of a country is the treatment of its most vulnerable citizens. By that standard, the Iranian government is both oppressive and barbaric. Under Ahmadinejad's rule, Iranian women are some of the most vulnerable citizens.

    If an Iranian woman shows too much hair in public, she risks being beaten or killed.

    If she walks down a public street in clothing that violates the state dress code, she could be arrested.

    But in the face of this harsh regime, the Iranian women have shown courage. Despite threats to their lives and their families, Iranian women have sought better treatment through the "One Million Signatures Campaign Demanding Changes to Discriminatory Laws." The authorities have reacted with predictable barbarism. Last year, women's rights activist Delaram Ali was sentenced to 20 lashes and 10 months in prison for committing the crime of "propaganda against the system." After international protests, the judiciary reduced her sentence to "only" 10 lashes and 36 months in prison and then temporarily suspended her sentence. She still faces the threat of imprisonment.

    Earlier this year, Senator Clinton said that "Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is in the forefront of that" effort. Senator Clinton argued that part of our response must include stronger sanctions, including the designation of the IRGC as a terrorist organization. John McCain and I could not agree more.

    Senator Clinton understands the nature of this threat and what we must do to confront it. This is an issue that should unite all Americans. Iran should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Period. And in a single voice, we must be loud enough for the whole world to hear: Stop Iran!

    Only by working together, across national, religious, and political differences, can we alter this regime's dangerous behavior. Iran has many vulnerabilities, including a regime weakened by sanctions and a population eager to embrace opportunities with the West. We must increase economic pressure to change Iran's behavior.

    Tomorrow, Ahmadinejad will come to New York. On our soil, he will exercise the right of freedom of speech — a right he denies his own people. He will share his hateful agenda with the world. Our task is to focus the world on what can be done to stop him.

    We must rally the world to press for truly tough sanctions at the U.N. or with our allies if Iran's allies continue to block action in the U.N. We must start with restrictions on Iran's refined petroleum imports.

    We must reduce our dependency on foreign oil to weaken Iran's economic influence.

    We must target the regime's assets abroad; bank accounts, investments, and trading partners.

    President Ahmadinejad should be held accountable for inciting genocide, a crime under international law.

    We must sanction Iran's Central Bank and the Revolutionary Guard Corps — which no one should doubt is a terrorist organization.

    Together, we can stop Iran's nuclear program.

    Senator McCain has made a solemn commitment that I strongly endorse: Never again will we risk another Holocaust. And this is not a wish, a request, or a plea to Israel's enemies. This is a promise that the United States and Israel will honor, against any enemy who cares to test us. It is John McCain's promise and it is my promise.

    Thank you.[/rquoter]
     
  3. yaoluv

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    Yep, if you want to invade Iran, vote for Mccain.

    That much is clear and the american people will decide.
     
  4. IROC it

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    yaoluv, you are so insightful. Thanks.
     
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    Less Jobs! More Wars!
     
  6. DaDakota

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    LOL - of course they want McCain, Obama is probably going to cut them off and make them stand on their own 2 feet as a country....about time.

    DD
     
  7. SamFisher

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    LMFAO if anybody thinks our bankrupt nation will be able to borrow enough money from the Chinese to allow us to invade Iran.
     
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    War
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    Famine '08​
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

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    John McCain for President
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    Tippacanoe...and McCain Too!!
     
  10. ROXRAN

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    Nice speech. Too bad it wasn't delivered. but as I stated before in my thread, Hillary was completely in line with Palin's rhetoric...That is the way it should be...
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Considering Hillary Clinton isn't on Obama ticket why is she of equal stature in the Obama camp as Sarah Palin is to the McCain camp?

    Was Joe Biden invited?
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    They want to create that equal sort of standing. By puting her next to Clinton, they hope people will see them as the same.

    Just like they try to compare Palin to Obama. It's the same strategy.

    Comparing her to Joe Biden diminishes her.
     
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    Sarah Palin is the Forest Gump of this political campaign.....Dan Quayle ran intellectual circles around her.

    DD
     
  14. ROXRAN

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    Do over?...before Palin, the world was his...After, it's close....too close...coincidence?

    In hindsight, Hillary was the better Presidential choice...I admire her tone against Iran...(I'll repost her letter if you desire here). She seems more like a bipartisan uniter than Obama...more experienced as well...O well....It's new age "progressive" style or else my democratic friends...No more old school "Truman doctrine" that worked and was admired from both parties...
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    Technically since Clinton isn't Obama's VP it should diminish Palin's position as she is McCain's VP to put her on equal footing wiht someone who isn't even on the ticket. Of course this all goes back to whether you think Palin is qualified to be on the same footing with the oppositions VP or even Hillary Clinton who won the most votes ever of someone who didn't win their parties primary. In fact more votes than McCain did in the Republican primary.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran ---- John McCain!

    It's nice to know these people would rather protest Obama than Iran, our real enemy. Shows how much those folks have their priorities.

    Thank goodness Clinton pulled out.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    But Clinton's standing is much higher than Palins. It's not about job title here, it's about standing. And Hillary is a brand which is far larger than Palin's.
     
  18. ROXRAN

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    ...and they both had the same message against Iran...

    :D
     
  19. pgabriel

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    as usual, wtf is up with the thread title

    and hillary had the right to cancel, they didn't tell her of palin being scheduled till after she agreed

    so either all the wingnuts were going to argue that hillary was going throw her support behind palin if that would happen, too bad she isn't as stupid bulldog with lipstick, so now you guys are left to argue that they're playing politics
     
  20. ROXRAN

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    fixed...Please pay $39.98
     

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