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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by pirc1, Apr 26, 2007.

  1. Cannonball

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    I see. It's poorly worded, at least from my perspective.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    I'd say he makes three because I wouldn't give the $100 back to the neighbor. How does he know it's the same $100 bill he originally gave him??
     
  3. texanskan

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    82 never goes to 182 because he traded, add 100 it's 197
     
  4. SoSoDef76

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    -18 for the jacket
    -100 giving back to the neighboring owner.
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    The way I understand the question, the exchange of $100 real money for $100 fake money is irrelevant in determining how much the owner lost. The young man spent $100 for the jacket so the young man lost $79 in that exchange. The owner didn't gain or lose anything in the fake money exchange.

    The answer is different if money "lost" somehow includes the $3 profit the owner should have made from the jacket. However, I don't consider that to be money "lost" since the owner didn't have it to begin with.
     
  5. francis 4 prez

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    people mess themselves up by letting the story complicate things. all you need to know is he had 2 transactions. an $18 loss on the jacket with a $21 dollar gain from the customer for a profit of $3. and then a $100 loss with the neighbor. he's now $97 in the hole.
     
  6. Yaozer

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    How many chucks could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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  7. Castor27

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    He starts -18 (cost of Jacket to him)
    guy buys with $100
    So now he is up $82 (-18 +100= 82)
    He goes to get change. this transaction cancels out initially because he gives $100 and gets $100
    He give the customer $79 in change
    So he is now at +$3 (82-79=3)
    Now he has to give the other store owner the 100 back

    So in all he is down $97 (-100 +3=-97)


    What he should have done was told the customer he didn't have change and made him go next door. Then he'd be up 3 and the neighbor would be down $100.
     
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  8. JayZ750

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    it says that the customer gave him a $100 bill, and then he exchanges $100 from the neighbor?

    -$18
    +$100
    -$79
    -$100
     
  9. Cannonball

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    Yeah, I think that since the initial question said he got one dollar from the neighbor I assumed he had to borrow it (he wasn't going to trade $1 and $1) and when the question was corrected I stuck with that same assumption.
     
  10. Manny Ramirez

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    Bingo - very succint.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    step...C........sA.................sB
    1)......[C100]..J=18
    2)......J.........[C100]-18
    3)..... J.........100-18...........[C100]-100
    4)......J+79....(100-79)-18....[C100]-100
    5)......J+79....3-100+[C100]
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    T)......J+79.....-97+[C100]

    Totals- Customer= Jacket+$79
    Store owner A= -$97+ counterfeit 100

    Since he holds the counterfeit bill last, he eats the 100

    So he lost $197.

    If the counterfeit was real, he would've made 3 bucks. That could've been a shortcut to this, but it can be used to check this answer.
     
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  12. Castor27

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    But the [C100] is worth $0 so you can't add it in as -100 (as you did in your summary). That is taken care of in step : 5)......J+79....3-100+[C100], by giving the the other guy his $100 back.

    he gave sB 100 (that is the -100) and got back $0 not another -100. So it is still a $97 loss.

    In effect you are counting him losing the $100 twice.
     
  13. professorjay

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    I guess everyone is piling on w/ the same answers now. Yet ANOTHER way to look at it:

    Let's say you're the counterfeiter. You basically stole a jacket worth $18 and got $79 real dollars from the owner. The neighbor never took any loss, the owner did. So in total he's out $97.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    You're right.
     
  15. thelasik

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    Can't get simpler than this.
     
  16. playlife

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    I say $97 loss
    +21 -$18 -$100 = $97
     
  17. Angle02

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    I guess it's $179
    He takes a $100 hit off of the counterfeit $100 to the neighbor. He gives $79 back to the young man for the difference of 100 and 21. So now he's $179 in the hole. He kept the $21 in change(from the fake $100) so that cancels out losing the jacket($21) so he lost nothing from the jacket. I dont know if thats correct. Thats what I came up with on 2 hours of sleep...Damn stomach virus :mad:
     
  18. rage

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    He lost $79 (to the next store owner) + $18 (cost of the jacket) = $97 total

    or $100 if you count the $3 loss of profit.
     
  19. Kyrodis

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    He doesn't take a $100 hit off of the counterfeit bill to the neighbor. The neighbor had given him change for the bad bill earlier. The $100 "hit" just cancels out the money that the neighbor gave him originally. That transaction is completely inconsequential.

    So...like many of the others have said. He's out $18 for the jacket, plus another $79 given to the shady customer for a total of $97.
     
  20. Angle02

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    He's not out the $18 for the jacket. The price was at $21 which he got that money back out of the $100 he got from the neighbor on the trade.


    Store owner starts with $21 (jacket). +$21
    Gets $100(fake). + $121.
    Gives $79 to young man so he has $42. $121-$79= +$42
    He gives $21(jacket) to young man so he's still $21 up. +$21
    Then has to pay neighbor $100 for the fake. 21-100= -$79
    That leaves $79 in the hole.

    Thats what I came up with after a short nap.
     

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