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Looking for Mr. Right
If David Carr isn't the future of the Texans at quarterback, maybe one of these guys will be

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

If the Texans trade David Carr after the season, they will be in the market for another quarterback.

Sage Rosenfels, who is finishing his first season with the Texans on injured reserve, would be a candidate to replace Carr.

If coach Gary Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith look outside the organization, quite a few well-known veteran candidates should be available.

The April draft won't be nearly as loaded as this year's for quarterback prospects. No prospects remind scouts of Vince Young, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler, all of whom are starting as rookies.

If Kubiak looks for a veteran, the obvious choice would be Jake Plummer. Kubiak was Plummer's offensive coordinator and quarterback coach at Denver.

When Kubiak left the Broncos for the Texans, Plummer's performance plummeted to a point where he was replaced by Cutler. It's not likely Plummer will be Cutler's backup in 2007.

If the Broncos are unable to trade Plummer, they'll waive him, making him an unrestricted free agent.

"If he becomes available, I can't imagine anyone better for (the Texans') system than Plummer," said Gil Brandt, the Dallas Cowboys' personnel director for 29 years and current personnel expert for NFL.com. "Plummer and Kubiak had a lot of success together.

"I think Plummer can play another three or four years."

Kubiak didn't want to comment on Plummer for two reasons: Carr is the Texans' starting quarterback, and Plummer is under contract to Denver.

"Look, you ask me if I think Jake can still play, and my answer is yes," Kubiak said. "The strength of his game is moving around and throwing on the run. And he's got a young man's body for a quarterback who's been in the league for 10 years."

Other quarterbacks who could be available are Damon Huard (Kansas City), Jeff Garcia (Philadelphia), Byron Leftwich (Jacksonville), Daunte Culpepper (Miami), Drew Bledsoe (Dallas), Kerry Collins (Tennessee) and Tim Rattay (Tampa Bay).

Because Kubiak needs a mobile quarterback who can throw accurately while rolling to his right or left, pocket passers like Huard, Leftwich, Culpepper, Bledsoe and Collins wouldn't seem to be a good fit.

Garcia and Rattay would seem to fit the Texans' system better.

"Since he took over for Donovan McNabb, Garcia has been playing lights out," Brandt said.

Steep price for Schaub
A quarterback who has attracted a lot of attention because of the way he has played coming off the bench is Atlanta's Matt Schaub, who is anchored on the Falcons' bench behind Michael Vick.

Schaub, a three-year veteran, will be a restricted free agent. If the Falcons tender him a contract offer at a certain level, it will require a first-round pick to sign him. It's doubtful the Texans would surrender a high No. 1 pick for Schaub, who has been untested as a regular starter.

Teams won't have a clear picture of the college quarterback crop until underclassmen declare for the draft no later than Jan. 15.

Notre Dame's Brady Quinn and Ohio State's Troy Smith are considered the leading senior prospects.

The top juniors who might enter the draft a year early are LSU's JaMarcus Russell and Louisville's Brad Brohm.

Coming up fast on the outside is Houston senior Kevin Kolb.

"Kolb's going to surprise some people," said C.O. Brocato, the Tennessee Titans' coordinator of college scouting. "He really improved as a senior.

"That kid's got good size and a good arm. The ball gets from Point A to Point B in a hurry. He throws a nice deep ball. He's got good touch on his short passes around the line of scrimmage. He's tough and durable. He's got mobility.

"Kolb makes good decisions. You don't see him throw many bad passes. Right now, I think he's probably a second-rounder. But once everybody really starts looking at him, it wouldn't surprise me if he goes in the first."

Smith a winner
Some scouts think that by the time the evaluation process has been completed, Smith will be ranked right behind Quinn.

"I love Troy Smith," Brandt said about the Heisman Trophy winner. "He reminds me of Drew Brees. They're about the same size (6-0 1/4 ). One reason Brees is such a good leader is because he works so hard, and his teammates respect that. Players gravitate to Smith, too.

"He's smart and athletic and has a cannon for an arm. And we all know he's a winner."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4417558.html
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Carr is gone IMO, there is nothing left for him in Houston. With that said, it sounds like Plummer is our guy. I know it's early but Kubiak knows Plummer and I doubt we go with a rookie QB next season. A first rounder for Schaub is out of the question IMHO, Plummer just seems like the best fit right now.

With that said, I think we'll pick up a QB somewhere in the draft. I like Smith and Kolb but it's almost impossible to tell where they'll be available. Hopefully Kolb will be there in the 3rd, but he could definitely shoot up the boards like Cutler did last summer. I've read things that have Smith going in the Top 5 to the Raiders, I've read things that don't have him in the 1st round, it's so hard to tell right now.

I would love for our summer to start off with signing Plummer, drafting AD or Branch, Michael Griffin in the 2nd, and Kolb in the 3rd.

#1 gucci888, Dec 22, 2006

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Why do people keep referring to Culpepper as immobile. He rushes for over 400 yrds almost every year

#2 rhino17, Dec 22, 2006
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Why do people keep referring to Culpepper as immobile. He rushes for over 400 yrds almost every year
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Because he's nowhere near the runner he was a couple years back, he's also had 2 major injuries the past 2 seasons which will further hinder his running ability.

#3 gucci888, Dec 22, 2006
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Good luck Texans.

#4 MiniMing, Dec 22, 2006
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Carr is gone IMO, there is nothing left for him in Houston. With that said, it sounds like Plummer is our guy. I know it's early but Kubiak knows Plummer and I doubt we go with a rookie QB next season. A first rounder for Schaub is out of the question IMHO, Plummer just seems like the best fit right now.

With that said, I think we'll pick up a QB somewhere in the draft. I like Smith and Kolb but it's almost impossible to tell where they'll be available. Hopefully Kolb will be there in the 3rd, but he could definitely shoot up the boards like Cutler did last summer. I've read things that have Smith going in the Top 5 to the Raiders, I've read things that don't have him in the 1st round, it's so hard to tell right now.

I would love for our summer to start off with signing Plummer, drafting AD or Branch, Michael Griffin in the 2nd, and Kolb in the 3rd.
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The texans had Mr. Right(Vince) in their laps last year and they found a way to screw it up. You would think the second GM in franchise history would learn from past mistakes, but only time will tell. Granted, other than that pick, they had a solid draft, but that was the only good draft in franchise history so far, which is why they suck.

#5 DVauthrin, Dec 22, 2006
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The texans had Mr. Right(Vince) in their laps last year and they found a way to screw it up. You would think the second GM in franchise history would learn from past mistakes, but only time will tell. Granted, other than that pick, they had a solid draft, but that was the only good draft in franchise history so far, which is why they suck.
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Smith was hired after the draft so we'll see how he fairs this draft, but I doubt the GM had much influence on who they were picking last summer anyways. It was McNair's decision to pass on VY IMO, it was Kubiak's decision to pass on Bush.

But being one of the biggest VY fans on this board, I think it's time to move on. This is about who our next QB is going to be, not who it should have been.

#6 gucci888, Dec 22, 2006
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Smith was hired after the draft so we'll see how he fairs this draft, but I doubt the GM had much influence on who they were picking last summer anyways. It was McNair's decision to pass on VY IMO, it was Kubiak's decision to pass on Bush.

But being one of the biggest VY fans on this board, I think it's time to move on. This is about who our next QB is going to be, not who it should have been.
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The problem is QB's in FA are 9/10 times all journeyman types. Tim Rattay? Jake Plummer(after this season)? These are retreads, average QB's who will help the texans minimally at best.

The other problem is because of their inept drafting until last year, the texans have to debate other needs over say Troy Smith with their 1st round pick.

They are going to have a hard time moving up in the AFC in the next few years with the situation they have created for themselves. It's very similar to the Browns and how they had that one year they made the playoffs, otherwise they have been one of the worst teams in football, but not bad enough to get the difference makers they need to improve.

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If we're gonna have a few more losing seasons, we may as well pickup a rookie or young QB we can build around. That was the whole point of drafting VY this year, but everyone figured we needed to take a shot at the super-bowl this year by drafting mario lol

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I think in addition to looking for Mr. Right, the Texans should take a chance on a Mr. Right Now. May I introduce him? The "Round Mound of Touchdown", Bruce Eugene.

#9 weslinder, Dec 22, 2006
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LMAO...Nice...

I agree, Plummer will be our guy, but would love to have Kolb as a 2nd or 3rd rounder...

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The problem is QB's in FA are 9/10 times all journeyman types. Tim Rattay? Jake Plummer(after this season)? These are retreads, average QB's who will help the texans minimally at best.
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I take exception to this. Retread, average quarterbacks have won Super Bowls. Jake Plummer would be fine. The Texans need to build their team up front and in the secondary. I would not waste another high pick on a quarterback until the offensive line is assembled that won't get a young QB killed. I think the Texans are close to being a pretty good defensive team. It doesn't take much offensive firepower to win in the NFL if the defense is stout, so I don't think the future is as dire as you do.

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It would be nice to see the pro football team do something similar to San Diego's 2001 draft.

1st Round: Adrian Peterson
2nd Round: Troy Smith

#13 gunn, Dec 22, 2006

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It would be nice to see the pro football team do something similar to San Diego's 2001 draft.

1st Round: Adrian Peterson
2nd Round: Troy Smith
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i'd call that a good draft.

any chance of that, ya think?????? i think AP will be there for us. but Troy Smith?? any chance we actually take that guy??

i want so desperately to be a real, bonafide Texan fan.

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i want so desperately to be a real, bonafide Texan fan.
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You want them to win you over. You want to feel something. Splitting hairs, but impressive drafts and selecting the QB you wanted were your own prerequisites. To me, the fact that you care at all means that you are a fan (real, bonafide, "TRUE", yadahyadahyadah notwithstanding).

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You want them to win you over. You want to feel something. Splitting hairs, but impressive drafts and selecting the QB you wanted were your own prerequisites. To me, the fact that you care at all means that you are a fan (real, bonafide, "TRUE", yadahyadahyadah notwithstanding).
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somehow i really appreciate you saying that. my son is the biggest Texans fan i know. truthfully.

the Texans are truly my team, i'm sure of it. it's just a long time coming.

and you're right...the VY situation is like the love of my life marrying my best friend. (with apologies to those i had lunch with)

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MadMax said:

i'd call that a good draft.

any chance of that, ya think?????? i think AP will be there for us. but Troy Smith?? any chance we actually take that guy??

i want so desperately to be a real, bonafide Texan fan.
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Nah, no chance. Not with this pro football team. I think the key to getting Adrian Peterson and maybe Troy Smith is to lose out. Losing to the Browns in the final week could be very pivotal in as to who lands one or possibly both of those players. It seems to me that the Browns and the pro football team here have similar needs and the two teams could be targeting both AD and Troy Smith.

Who knows though, really. There is still alot of time left for things still to be determined. I mean Troy could have an outstanding championship game and then go on to have an excellent Senior Bowl and combine and raise his value into the first round, and subseqently put him out of the pro football team's reach with their second pick. The knock on Smith has never been about his qb play, but rather circling around his height. But with Drew Brees performing at MVP levels, at roughly the same height, some teams may not look to much into that, you know.

Smith kind of reminds me nice cross between a Vince Young and a Drew Brees. He semingly has a little bit of the Vince "mojo" while possessing a Brees-like body and passing ability.

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Nah, no chance. Not with this pro football team. I think the key to getting Adrian Peterson and maybe Troy Smith is to lose out. Losing to the Browns in the final week could be very pivotal in as to who lands one or possibly both of those players. It seems to me that the Browns and the pro football team here have similar needs and the two teams could be targeting both AD and Troy Smith.

Who knows though, really. There is still alot of time left for things still to be determined. I mean Troy could have an outstanding championship game and then go on to have an excellent Senior Bowl and combine and raise his value into the first round, and subseqently put him out of the pro football team's reach with their second pick. The knock on Smith has never been about his qb play, but rather circling around his height. But with Drew Brees performing at MVP levels, at roughly the same height, some teams may not look to much into that, you know.

Smith kind of reminds me nice cross between a Vince Young and a Drew Brees. He semingly has a little bit of the Vince "mojo" while possessing a Brees-like body and passing ability.
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i'm sold. bring in troy smith. bring me something to be excited about. something with some sizzle.

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gunn said:

It would be nice to see the pro football team do something similar to San Diego's 2001 draft.

1st Round: Adrian Peterson
2nd Round: Troy Smith
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I like that draft. Smith isn't spectaculer, but he is a proven winner who knows how to lead a team.

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....... a proven winner who knows how to lead a team.
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Everything else aside, there is nothing the pro football team needs more than this right here.

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