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  1. Lil Pun

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    You Might Be Gay! I am an only son. :)

    WASHINGTON - Having several older brothers increases the likelihood of a man being gay, a finding researchers say adds weight to the idea that there is a biological basis for sexual orientation.

    "It's likely to be a prenatal effect," said Anthony F. Bogaert of Brock University in St. Catharines, Canada, "This and other studies suggest that there is probably a biological basis for" homosexuality.

    S. Marc Breedlove of Michigan State University said the finding "absolutely" confirms a physical basis.

    "Anybody's first guess would have been that the older brothers were having an effect socially, but this data doesn't support that," Breedlove said in a telephone interview.

    The only link between the brothers is the mother and so the effect has to be through the mother, especially since stepbrothers didn't have the effect, said Breedlove, who was not part of the research.

    Bogaert studied four groups of Canadian men, a total of 944 people, analyzing the number of brothers and sisters each had, whether or not they lived with those siblings and whether the siblings were related by blood or adopted.

    He reports in a paper appearing in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the
    National Academy of Sciences that having several biological older brothers increased the chance of a man being gay.

    It's an effect that can be detected with one older brother and becomes stronger with three or four or more, Bogaert said in a telephone interview.

    But, he added, this needs to be looked at in context of the overall rate of homosexuality in men, which he suggested is about 3 percent. With several older brothers the rate may increase from 3 percent to 5 percent, he said, but that still means 95 percent of men with several older brothers are heterosexual.

    The effect of birth order on male homosexuality has been reported previously but Bogaert's work is the first designed to rule out social or environmental effects.

    Bogaert said he concluded the effect was biological by comparing men with biological brothers to those with brothers to whom they were not biologically related.

    The increase in the likelihood of being gay was seen only in those whose brothers had the same mothers, whether they were raised together or not, he said.

    Men raised with several older step- or adopted brothers do not have an increased chance of being gay.

    "So what that means is that the environment a person is raised in really makes not much difference," he said.

    What makes a difference, he said, is having older brothers who shared the same womb and gestational experience, suggesting the difference is because of "some sort of prenatal factor."

    One possibility, he suggests, is a maternal immune response to succeeding male fetuses. The mother may react to a male fetus as foreign but not to a female fetus because the mother is also female.

    It might be like the maternal immune response that can occur when a mother has Rh-negative blood but her fetus has Rh-positive blood. Without treatment, the mother can develop antibodies that may attack the fetus during future pregnancies.

    Whether that's what is happening remains to be seen, but it is a provocative hypothesis, said a commentary by Breedlove, David A. Puts and Cynthia L. Jordan, all of Michigan State.

    The research was funded by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada.
     
  2. Saint Louis

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    Oldest child of two, only son. Whew.

    My friend was the youngest of three brothers. The oldest brother was gay, past tense because he died of AIDS, the two younger brothers are straight.

    I think a study should be done on how much alcohol it takes to make two normally heterosexual women engage in a homosexual love session.
     
  3. Fatty FatBastard

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    Bah! I'm 100% heterosexual. BTW, my friends and I have learned exactly how to meet women. But you have to be stealthy.

    Here's a pic of us during the hunt:

    [​IMG]
     
  4. MadMax

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    I'm having a hard time understanding why this adds credence to the idea that homosexuality is an inherited trait. I'm not saying that it isn't an inherited trait. I'm just not sure this is evidence of that. Could there not also be some sociological influence related to older brothers??
     
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    "Clearly all of the testosterone in the Mother's body was used up by the time the younger brother was made thus making him a ***" says Ozzie Guillen
     
  6. MR. MEOWGI

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    I think it it more biological than genetic.

    I don't think my left-handedness was genetically passed down to me as much as I was biologically formed that way due to parental conditions. Nevertheless, I was born that way and nothing will change it.

    Maybe these biological conditions changes due to multiple births etc.
     
  7. thadeus

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    Maybe it just means Canadians are predisposed to being gay.
     
  8. RunninRaven

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    Read the entire article. The researchers took pains to exclude that possibility by including in their research stepbrothers, adopted brothers, etc. They included brothers that grew up together and ones that didn't. And apparently, the only correllation is brothers of the same mother, regardless of whether they grew up together or not.

    I don't know if I buy all this, because it seems to me that sample sizing could be a serious issue here.
     
  9. Faos

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    So what you're saying is you had doubts about your heterosexuality until this article proved otherwise? :)
     
  10. Lil Pun

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    :D

    No, not at all.
     
  11. MadMax

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    you're right. i'm bad about doing that here.
     
  12. VesceySux

    VesceySux World Champion Lurker

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    This research is bunk. I have an older brother, and I'm heterosexual.

    Oh, on a completely unrelated note, does anyone know if or when Cher is coming in concert to Houston?
     
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    i'm not sure about Cher, but i'm catching a Madonna concert and a Comets game with Mr. Guillen later this week.
     
  14. Lil Pun

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    Actually I have a hard time believing it is inherited anyway. I mean, I know a group of gay people and they always talk about converting others.
     
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    What a coincidence. Jay Mariotti and I are going to see The Lion King.
     
  16. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    F'n ****.
     
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    Ahhh, Mr Breedlove ;)
     
  18. Saint Louis

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    Maybe this is what all the Republicans are scared of concering gays, that somehow the gays will mysteriously turn them gay.
     
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    OH NOES I CAUGHT TEH GAY
     
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    They talk about it cause they want to jump their bones (take it easy) ...but did any of them claim to be successful in turning somebody gay?
     

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