This is the litmus test. Anyone who backs this tax cut for the wealthy is pure and simple a country club Republican like bigtexx or at the minimum beholden to their poltical contributions. It is so ludicrous when the conservatives claim that government can't afford to rebuild the levees in New Orleans, subsidize college tuitions like they did in years before etc. etc. the number of family-owned small businesses required to pay any taxes in the year 2000 would have been just 94, according to a study by the Congressional Budget Office. The number of family farms that would have had to sell any assets to pay that tax would have been 13 ************ Estate Tax Lunacy By Harold Meyerson Wednesday, May 31, 2006; A19 Spring has given way to summer's full-furnace heat in Washington, apparently taking with it any scintilla of sense that Congress may yet possess. In the House, Republicans who could not even raise an eyebrow at reports that the National Security Agency has been conducting warrantless wiretaps of Americans became instant civil libertarians when the FBI conducted a search of a congressman's office. The Senate, meanwhile, is scheduled next week to take up legislation by Arizona Republican Jon Kyl that would permanently repeal the estate tax on the wealthiest Americans. If enacted, Kyl's bill would plunge the government another trillion dollars into the red during the first decade (2011-2021) that it would be in effect. Behind the scenes, the action has been on the Democratic side in the Senate, as the party's leadership has sought to dissuade Montana's Max Baucus, ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee, from forging a halfway-house compromise with Kyl that would deplete revenue by only $500 billion to $600 billion during that decade. The Republicans would need Baucus to bring roughly a half-dozen Democrats along with him to reach the magic number of 60 votes required to overcome any filibuster that the vast majority of Democrats would mount to block any such measure. Even a paltry $500 billion, of course, is a lot of money to drain from public coffers just when boomers are going onto Social Security and Medicare and the number of employers providing health insurance, if present trends continue, might have dropped to a virtuous handful. To cover those and other needs, Congress will either plunge us deeper into debt or increase some other levies -- payroll taxes, say -- that will come out of the pockets of the 99 percent of Americans whom the estate tax doesn't touch. A decades-long campaign by right-wing activists (brilliantly documented by Yale professors Michael Graetz and Ian Shapiro in their book "Death by a Thousand Cuts") has convinced many Americans that the estate tax poses a threat to countless hardworking families. That was always nonsense, and under the estate tax revisions that almost all Democrats support -- raising the threshold for eligibility to $3.5 million for an individual and $7 million for a couple -- it becomes more nonsensical still. Under the $3.5 million exemption, the number of family-owned small businesses required to pay any taxes in the year 2000 would have been just 94, according to a study by the Congressional Budget Office. The number of family farms that would have had to sell any assets to pay that tax would have been 13. On the other hand, an estate tax repeal would save the estate of Vice President Cheney between $13 million and $61 million, according to the publicly available data on his net worth. It would save the estate of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld between $32 million and $101 million. The estate of retired Exxon Mobil chairman Lee Raymond would pocket a cozy $164 million. As for the late Sam Walton's kids, whose company already makes taxpayers foot the bill for the medical expenses of thousands of its employees, the cost to the government for not taxing their estates would run into the multiple billions. The Baucus split-the-difference measure wouldn't repeal the estate tax, but it would still cut the tax rates on the estates of the super-rich by 15 percent. The Montana senator spent much of last week trying to line up a handful of his Senate Democratic colleagues to support his proposal, in the hope of being able to announce an unshakable 60 votes favoring this folly when the debate begins next week. Why any Democrat would back such a measure, however, is a deep mystery. From the policy standpoint, it would make it vastly more difficult both to shore up programs that Democrats believe need shoring up -- better educating the nation's children, for one -- and to get the nation's fiscal house in order. Politically, backing the measure is even wackier. The Democrats are running this year as the party of comparative fiscal sanity and greater economic equity and security. Baucus's compromise would undermine all those premises. Republicans might very well attack Democratic senators up for reelection this year for failing to repeal this hideous death tax, as they call it, but any Democratic senator who can't rebut that charge in what is shaping up as a very Democratic year should probably be in another line of work. Last Friday Baucus's staffers assured the Democratic Senate leadership's staff that their boss would back off his compromise campaign. Still, given Baucus's penchant for mischief (it was largely he who rounded up enough Democratic votes to enact Medicare Part D and its Big Pharma giveaway), those assurances have met with some skepticism on Capitol Hill. The Democrats' capacity to undermine themselves has not vanished with the final days of spring. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/30/AR2006053001182_pf.html
They've been put on the chopping block by the Decider's mini-deciders, I believe. Not sure what the outcome has been.
It's only money...I see nothing wrong with this...The way it is now, to get around the estate tax, people hire lawyers and tax consultants to figure out ways to pay as little as possible... If I worked hard all my life, paid my taxes, and then when I die, god forbid, the govt. wants to take roughly half of my after income if I didn't structure my estate properly, give me a break...That is lunacy...
Where can we find our own version of Chavez or Morales so we can throw the rich elitists out of power?
We've been over this a billion times on this BBS, but by and large the only people who get hit by the estate tax are the super rich - and they do have to pay it as it does generate revenue. All the horror stories about family farms and the federal estate tax robbing farmers of their land are generally fabrications and there is little to no evidence that this actually happens, due to exemptions carved in the law to prevent that. Quite honestly, the persons hurt by this aren't people who worked for their money, but people who did nothing at all for it, e.g. Paris Hilton, etc.
Tutition at state universities has never paid for all the costs. Common knowlege and has been done forever. Do you really need proof? Every year the State of Texas sends money to the various state schools.
You say this like it's a bad thing? You act like it's the government's God-given right to take our money. Not in my book.
Don't you think it would make more sense (and may be more amenable to those opposing the estate tax) to tax the recipient of the estate's windfall rather than the estate itself? That takes all of the "double taxation" rhetoric out of the equation. For example, I work hard, make wise investements and have $10,000,000 in my estate. The day before I die, I can give away 1000 packets of $10,000 each to whoever I want with no tax liability. For example purposes, assume an estate tax of 50% on the full amount. The day after I die, my estate only has 5000 of these $10,000 packets to disburse. Where is the fairness in that? If the estate tax exists, I ought to have the entire $10,000,000 to give away. If I give $5,000,000 to my son, have him pay a tax on it.
What does the State of Texas funding for higher education have to do with federal estate taxes? IIRC the state set up a fund 100 years ago for this purpose. But absent a compelling argument otherwise, I don't know why anyone would support a measure cutting these taxes. All that can need to pay taxes and its a small burden for the super rich in return for the rewards they get from being a part of this great country.
In my book the rich should get taxed more then the poor. Sort of a penalty for being rich in the first place.
Why should they pay more? If someone works hard and gets rich, why should they be forced to pay more than someone who lives off the government? I am in favor of getting rid of the income tax all together and just doing a flat tax on consumption. DD
I've been over this before, I think even with you. Search for the old thread (should be 2 years old or more) as I don't want to go into the whole thing. Briefly, I will say "Double taxation" should be taken out of the equation cause it's an idiotic term that means absolutely nothing, is technically wrong, and misunderstands what the entire taxastion system is all about.
The estate tax is a tax on the giver, I guess it comes down to if you believe people themselves should be able to decide what to do with their money without restrictions, afterall it is their money. Estate tax and gift tax are really just wealth redistribution. If that's what we are after, then why stop at 50%, why not 90% tax rate on estates.
No, it's not what? Gift tax and Estate tax are related, any amount you give over the gift tax limit is counted against your Estate tax exemption. The numbers are calculated around the giver.
Upward mobility, say bye-bye. Now we just need the middle-class to start giving a damn about the poor, and it's time for some serious social tumult. Pocketbooks are important to most people, but those same people often lack the foresight to realize how much the measures they're supporting are destabilizing the country that allows them to have a pocketbook in the first place, if ya know what I mean. Of course, that could never happen here. Everyone's happy here.